Symposium

Obviously.

But what about my question? Why could evolution not be a part of a god's plan?

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romansh

Tough to fit in all that evolving in a few thousand years?
Luckily most of us have had the benefit +3 billion years.

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LadyCrystal

It is obvious that men wrote the bible. The women are made to look weak and like slaves.

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shaun

Can you prove this for us?

Can you prove this for us?

Can you prove this for us?

Fallacy - just because it is strange to you does not make it necessarily false.

What's "bad"? What laws? What do you consider "good" tribal laws?

MAYBE

people don't want to accept the bible as truth because with great knowledge comes great responsibility

the responsibility to live ones life for something higher than themselves therefore atheists simply remove God from the equation since they lack the fortitude to follow his strict moral codes and do as they please

until......


amen friend

duck

Amen, Brother

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MAYBE

you are not my brother unless you believe in God


until you accept God as your father you are a friend.. and a distant one at that

amen friend

Astreja

Easily done. The story of Noah is actually the story of Atrahasis from Babylonian mythology. And Elohim is derived from the Canaanite chief god El.

The Hebrew word almah, as presented in Isaiah 7:14, simply means "young, unmarried woman". It's dishonest to translate it strictly as "virgin", yet that's what happened in the Septuagint, where the word appeared as parthenos and spawned the myth of the Virgin Birth. (I, Myself, suspect the translators were attempting to butt in on Athena's territory by using a word commonly used as Her epithet.)

No geological record of a worldwide flood, but plenty of historical records from civilizations that carried on with business as usual right through the purported time of said flood.

No solar eclipse or earthquake recorded in the vicinity of Jerusalem around the alleged time of the crucifixion of Jesus.

No archeological evidence for Israelites wandering around for forty years on the Sinai Peninsula. I mean, come on, now. That many people, travelling in a small geographical area for such a long time, should've left a rather substantial number of artifacts in their wake.

And don't get Me started on the sheer absurdity of that many people getting lost in an area which one can cross on foot in a couple of weeks. A month, tops, allowing for women and children. I mean, how hard could it have been to send out scouting parties in several directions and report back with the location of suitable land for resettlement?

If indeed the Israelites were ever in Egypt at all, I suspect the "forty years in the wilderness" bit was pure fabrication. Forty days, perhaps, which would also explain the lack of an archeological footprint.

I call foul -- This is an attempt to shift the burden of proof.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. If you want me to think it reasonable that a dragon can sweep one-third of the stars out of the sky, first you have to show me a real live dragon. (A horking big dragon, with a tail about 15,000,000,000 light years long.) Until you do that, I am under no obligation to take Revelations seriously.

Forcing a woman to marry the man who raped her is bad. (Deuteronomy 21:11-13 and 22:28-29).

Stoning wizards (Leviticus 20:27), disobedient children (Deuteronomy 21:18) or people who work on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-56) is bad.

Forbidding handicapped individuals from performing religious services is bad. (Leviticus 21:16-23)

On the other hand, Leviticus 19 has a few good things: Leave some fruit on the vine for travellers to eat; pay your workers promptly; don't lie; don't steal; don't gossip. A lot of good stuff in the book of Proverbs, too.

And Isaiah 1 has "Cease to do evil; learn to do well; seek judgement, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow / Come now, and let us reason together..."

Ultimately, a good law improves lives and a bad law destroys them. Simple as that.

Symposium

You speak as if no one without a god can have morals.

I am not an athiest, but I refuse to believe in a bible god. That doesn't mean I have to give away all morals and just do as I please. I take into great consideration the feelings of others. And some how without religion I manage to be a respectable human.

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WilliamBlue

You are ignorant and a troll. I am an atheist as far as your god is concerned. I believe you should treat others as you would expect them to treat you, I take full responsibility for my life and actions. You on the other hand probably 'lack the fortitude' as an individual to control yourself and thus would need to be told what to do and not do.

You are not convincing anyone with your ignorant rants, in fact you are probably pushing more further away. In other words, you are doing more harm for your religion because you have nothing to offer that we have not already heard. You do not need religion to have a moral code! This is one of the most insulting of all your spewing, you need to consult your preacher before you do any more harm!

I repeat you are not helping your cause by being insulting!

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