danarch

Creationism is simply another weak attempt by relgion to dissprove science. "attack evolution while we got the chance" seems to be the current stratagy. "Creation Science" ....... its seems that oppression has no bounds. just think of darwins work as genesis and your basic logic and reason skills will guide you from there.

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The An-Jel

You are asking for logic and reason in association with the Religion... Outrageous!

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Skepticologist

There's at least some hope, even among the religious. It's been a scant two months since an entire school board in Pennsylvania was voted out because of their mindless insistence that creationism be taught in high-school science classes. And there were more than a few ostensibly religious people who cast their votes for logic and reason in public education.

Sometimes I find myself on the verge of giving up on human intellect. But I've learned that I just have to hang on a little longer for such breaths of fresh air as this.

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danarch

the USA has many faults, but the seperation of church and state is not one of them.

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danarch

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...rizon_1_3.html

bush is right we are at war

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Vinterland

Church retaliation? Catholic church, among many Christian churches accept evolution as scientific fact.

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danarch

christians are divided on this issue. do not think they teach evolution NOWADAYS in christion schools. at least not around here. they did some years ago. they teach stuff that tries to discredit science and reinforce their religion. isnt that simmilar to communism or what the nazis did?

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mplltt

I know that they should teach evolution, yet they don't, which makes for the learning community of yet age wanna-learn-its. The Communists teach a certian form of evolution yet it is that they are the oldest on Earth and then they rule. This is yet harder to get through to them because they think with their minds closed to the fact that older places exist (ie, Peru, or Galapagos). Thge Nazis flat out reject God and preach that the only person to save them is their leader, Hitler. They also teach that there is an evolution of the monkey into their own lives, yet this is harder yet to believe.

As for Americans, people there want to learn about evolution if it is held from them. This in turn will spark a movement throughout the learning community that will allow evolution to start, yet again. I am in the learning community and it is of your own choice to learn about evolution (ie, college), however, I am Jewish and have been taught otherwise, my condolences to athiests. God is proven to exist.

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Thank you, I am impressed that you are forgiving enough to approach this line of reasoning.

danarch

show me proof.

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Og

There is no such proof. Particularly in the case of the judeo/christian god, there is actually proof positive of it's absurdity.

We do not have free will in a cosmic sense. We are machines that respond to our environments in a highly complex manner. The notion that we can be somehow judged for our behavior on a cosmic/eternal scale is absolutely false. There is no moral agent to be judged.

Judeo/Christian god = non-existant. It's not complex. It's unfortunate that people continue to grasp onto this cosmic fascist idea.

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