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09-07-2007, 04:01 PM
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just saw the video. genius stuff. ID is pure nonsense. | 
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09-07-2007, 04:23 PM
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Yah.. It's unfortunate that people want to bury their heads in the sand when they perceive something out there as a moral vacuum. The alternative is to look for a solution that fits with reality... Guess it hurts their brains.
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09-11-2007, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Og  Fr example, Ambulocetus natans is an intermediate form between land mammals and whales/dolphins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus
This creature dispels many of those irreducible complexity arguments about how an intermediate form would be too clumsy on land or in water to survive.
NOt only this one, but there are 5 such intermediate forms between land animals and whales. These forms (as illustrated in a pub in the journal nature about 2 years ago) illustrate the evolution of the middle ear of the land animals from an apparatus good at hearing in air to one good at hearing in water. | Here is a talkorigins areticle that discusses the land mammal to cetacean evolution process. http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/
Whales and dolphins are such cool mammals.
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09-12-2007, 06:57 AM
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Yah, you can see it. Sharks and fish swim by undulating side to side. whales and dolphins swim by undulating up and down. This is the way that the mammalian body undulates when you watch a four legged animal run. It's haunches undulate up and down.
You can tell that the whales have different movement designs than fish.
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09-12-2007, 06:59 AM
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It's telling how the general supporters of ID or flat out creationism are quiet in the face of reality...
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09-12-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Og Yah, you can see it. Sharks and fish swim by undulating side to side. whales and dolphins swim by undulating up and down. This is the way that the mammalian body undulates when you watch a four legged animal run. It's haunches undulate up and down.
You can tell that the whales have different movement designs than fish. | Yeah, a lot of people get it wrong because of convergent evolution which has made some fish look somewhat similar to Cetaceans. Here's a site with a list of similarities and differences. http://www.gma.org/marinemammals/whale_or_fish.html
One of the more interesting articles I have is about testimony from a man who trained with the Flipper dolphins and has seen dolphins commit suicide by ceasing to breathe. It makes me wonder if these uniquely intelligent creatures commit suicide for similar reasons we do.
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And on we walked. Suddenly we heard a voice crying, "This is the sea. This is the deep sea. This is the vast and mighty sea." And when we reached the voice it was a man whose back was turned to the sea, and at his ear he held a shell, listening to its murmur.
And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.” | |
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10-29-2007, 03:29 PM
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Thanks Og. Keep'm comming. | |
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11-21-2007, 05:08 AM
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There's much space dedicated to so called non-reducable complexity in Dawkins' God delusion
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X : Can you explain how this organ came into being ?
Y : No
X : Hip, hip, hurrah : God exists 
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