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Old 08-20-2007, 03:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Life created in the lab soon!

They predict it will take 3 to ten years and there will be life,...Muahahahah

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Wir...3499486&page=2
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Read that this morning.

But that's impossible! God creates all life and the earth is only 6,000 years old!!!!11!1!11!!one!!1
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm really looking forward to reading the abstracts on the first successful abiogeneses. (My rather optimistic guess is a mere 18-24 months from now.) Once we understand the processes that spawn it, life will be even more fascinating.
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Very cool, I wonder if they will succeed and to what extent.
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Wishful thinking! But keep the faith. maybe in 3 years, maybe in 10 years, or maybe in a million year. Lets just wait and see eh? Don't hold your breaths by the way!
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Wishful thinking! But keep the faith. maybe in 3 years, maybe in 10 years, or maybe in a million year. Lets just wait and see eh? Don't hold your breaths by the way!
So does that mean you will give up islam if they succeed? If they create life, in your mind would that invalidate your religion? Or, are you just posting here for our reading displeasure?
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I wonder if the scientists do requests?

"I'd like some dragons, please. Desktop size... About a foot tall. Ming dynasty style, with googly eyes and long moustaches."
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yeah, seriously

SisterX, do you doubt it'll happen? Hope it doesn't happen? Think the world will end if it does happen?
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It's all talk. Scientist know how to manipulate nature, but they will never create life from non-life. Asking me if i would reject Islam 'if'it does happen is absurd because i don't believe it will. The only reason you all gasp for breath at the thought, is also due to your wishful thinking, hoping that science will validate your belief. They will do it if they cheat, remember the uray-miller experiment?
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It's all talk. Scientist know how to manipulate nature, but they will never create life from non-life. Asking me if i would reject Islam 'if'it does happen is absurd because i don't believe it will. The only reason you all gasp for breath at the thought, is also due to your wishful thinking, hoping that science will validate your belief. They will do it if they cheat, remember the uray-miller experiment?
Heh.. MU experiment was certainly not a cheat. It made lots of valid assumptions and may or may not speak to the nature of original earth. But what it did do was demonstrate self assembly of organic molecules in an energetic environment containing much of the building blocks we know exist and existed on earth including the vast majority of amino acids necessary for life.

Beyond that, sisterX is utterly uninformed about the nature of life, the concept of abiogenesis, or what it means to "produce life in the lab."

Scientists do this all the time. They produce vesicles containing dyes and then tag them with synthesized organic molecules. This is a pregnancy test. If the dye vesicles bind the appropriate horomones in the female's urin, they create a line (or inhibit it, or whatever).

What's funny is that modern computers are FAR more complex than the most basic life forms (viruses and complex organic molecules). And the internet is clearly more complex than much of the single and multi-cellular life out there. But since it's not made of carbon/nitrogen/hydrogen/phosphorous compounds, religious and uneducated (on the scientific topics involved) people like sisterX ignore it.

The fact is that humans create life all the time. That we don't use billions of years of time and thermodynamics processes to create organic sequences from basic building blocks using a mindless evolutionary process is not that impressive. We don't work on those size scales. But the scales we do work on produce life forms of a highly complex nature (i.e. modern electronics).

This carbon centric view on life is silly.
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