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Old 08-19-2007, 07:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cladistics

This is the science of interspecies homology. This is where the exact story of the fact of evolution is written. Whatever is true about the process/origin of life on earth, it follows the evidence that is described in the genes of all life.

What is fact is genetic homology across species that indicates mutational divergence. This notion that evolution is somehow flawed is based on rhetoric from the early 20th century where people criticized fossils and didn't even know about genetics.

With modern genetic tools, the notion that any theory other than evolution and natural processes directed life is just flat out wrong. The story of the evolutionary process is written for all to see. There are genomic databases where you can go and look at sequence homology.

The National Center for Biotechnology Information (part of the National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health in the USA) has a variety of tools that can facilitate your exploration of this reality.

(the main site) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/BLAST/
-This program does cross correlations between genetic sequences and other organisms to find homology (similarity).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/gquery
All NCBI databases including protein sequences, genome sequences, etc

Case closed. Evolution is a very good expression of observation. Other theories, if they are to replace evolution, must include all of the observations that make evolution what it is today.

There is no debate in this. There are no sides to the argument. There is only a massive amount of evidence.
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Entirely false and manipulative. Wake up.
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remember the matrix og, many people are not ready to wake up. wow, leaving religion really changed the meaning of that movie for me.
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Entirely false and manipulative. Wake up.
can you prove what you claimed, please?
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Most people "wake up tomorrow and believe whatever they want to believe"...

Take the red pill.
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Entirely false and manipulative. Wake up.
can you prove what you claimed, please?
Make it specific. I'm not going to read through and address that entire text load of garbage. Give me one statement you'd like me to address.

In any case, the bottom line is an emphatic NO to your question here. Science (which includes the theory of evolution) does not deal in proof. It deals only in evidence. Science does not pretend to offer proof nor does it desire to do so. It's why the theory of evolution will still be called a theory. Theory is the highest accomplishment of the scientific process. Data is the start point.

From a point of view, the statement that evolution collapses could be correct. It collapses onto the strong framework of the data. Wherever there is an inflated/unexplored area, we probe and prod to force a collapse onto solid evidence.
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Entirely false and manipulative. Wake up.
can you prove what you claimed, please?
Make it specific. I'm not going to read through and address that entire text load of garbage. Give me one statement you'd like me to address.

In any case, the bottom line is an emphatic NO to your question here. Science (which includes the theory of evolution) does not deal in proof. It deals only in evidence. Science does not pretend to offer proof nor does it desire to do so. It's why the theory of evolution will still be called a theory. Theory is the highest accomplishment of the scientific process. Data is the start point.

From a point of view, the statement that evolution collapses could be correct. It collapses onto the strong framework of the data. Wherever there is an inflated/unexplored area, we probe and prod to force a collapse onto solid evidence.
Ok, I want to ask a question:

if you cannot prove evolution, then why you want people to prove the obvious thing that there is a Great Creator who is God?
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Ok, I want to ask a question:

if you cannot prove evolution, then why you want people to prove the obvious thing that there is a Great Creator who is God?
When have I asked for proof of this?

And a follow up question: What evidence do you have that specifically implicates the existence of a being with a will (much like your own) that created all this?
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This is the evidence:
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The computer you’re typing at was designed and built by an intelligent life form

The car you drive was designed and built by an intelligent life form

The house or apartment building you live in was designed and built by an intelligent life form

The television you watch was designed and built by an intelligent life form

However, the universe and planet you live in and the body you have which are millions of times more complex than anything I’ve listed above were created by random assembly and a process known as evolution


A laughable assumption really and is the best trick the devil has ever pulled


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