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09-15-2006, 07:12 PM
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| No, this nation is far from being a Christian nation. Immorality is at an all-time high, and kids these days don't respect their elders.
At this rate, our nation will definitely fall. |
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09-27-2006, 11:23 PM
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| Hi, just signed up, but wanted to chime in. I think that calling the US a "Christian" nation is a misnomer. Many people think that just because you live in the US, that makes you a Christian. Not any more than living in a garage makes you a car! To be a Christian, you have to accept Christ. No more, no less. So, if the majority of the people in the US haven't accepted Christ as Savior, then NO the US is not a Christian nation. It may have been founded on Christian principles, but that is not the same thing. |
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09-28-2006, 06:55 AM
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| Is the U.S. a Christian nation? It depends on what you mean by the term. I’ve read that the U.S. is the most religious Western country and most of those that are religious in the U.S. are Christian. So if you’re speaking about demographics, than yes, we are a Christian nation.
Additionally, it has been an uphill battle to remove religion from what should be secular institutions. It was a hard fight to get prayer out of schools, and there are many who are trying to put it back. There are still court battles about displays of the 10 commandments. I support these fights and those that are working to remove god from our money and pledge (which by the way was added fairly recently). There is a major movement in this country to put Christianity back into secular institutions and there is also a group that would be happy to see a theocracy in place.
If this weren’t such a Christian country there wouldn’t be so many battles over reproductive issues, evolution, and stem cell research. If you want to be president you have a least claim to be Christian. What’s the likelihood of an Atheist becoming president? Next to nothing. Statistics show that most people think that Atheists are the most un-American of any other group and morality is still strongly linked with religion, thus making Atheists the most immoral as well.
So yeah, I think this is a Christian nation. Should it be though? No. It was not founded that way. It was set up so that one could worship as she chooses (or not at all) and so that government was secular. Our “founding fathers” did not want a Christian nation, just as they did not want one person to have all the power. From this perspective, the U.S. is not a Christian nation, but a secular one. Therefore, the argument of the Christian Right that this is inherently a Christian nation is false.
Unfortunately, it hasn’t worked out that way and the safeguards that are in place are eroding due to actions taken by later generations including our own. Yes, the U.S. is better than Iran, for instance, because we aren’t forced to be religious. However, this country is not secular. Most Americans are Christian; and religion, Christianity in particular, is supported by the government.
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10-02-2006, 06:17 PM
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10-02-2006, 10:01 PM
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10-02-2006, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DizzyDee What a great post - I added positively to your reputation. The US seems to be positioning itself as a "Christian" nation in order to extrapolate itself from the ideologies of it's enemies, and I believe remember history in it's proper context adds awareness of North American roots. The people responsible for creating the US were amazing in their politics and their ideologies. | James Madison: Virginia, I admit, only one this time, but that is because the establishment doesn't think for younger people, this blows when it comes to the future because there is only a present and a past to deal with, like your mommy always said this is too much taking a heart away for illumination from a little Japanese girl.
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10-02-2006, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveB No, this nation is far from being a Christian nation. Immorality is at an all-time high, and kids these days don't respect their elders.
At this rate, our nation will definitely fall. | I respect and love my parents. Sometimes the establishment is sick and tired of being tied up in knots for being so christian. Wouldn't you want to be set free by a couple rebels once in a while instead of one christian church making another great. Oh hey, oh this comes from the 1400's when the church was just allowing people to set sail. The establishment then thought that the church was too selfish keeping all the people on one continent. Then the establishment decided that it was too selfish in the 1500's to keep us all in two churches (that iota keeps the establishment happy). Then the establishment thought that would be great to let them go because I'll be damned if some rebel in the house of Lords said, "y'alls state church is keeping us from making money!! Let them go!" Sounds good to let it out, just let it out or they are going to take us for granted and when they take that it doesn't hurt us it hurts them. Those countries would love to hear the words, "Lord, I don't need your god damn money!"
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10-02-2006, 11:28 PM
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| Where is there a constitutional government without a belief in government written by a US Senator. This will blow your mind.
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10-03-2006, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveB No, this nation is far from being a Christian nation. Immorality is at an all-time high, and kids these days don't respect their elders.
At this rate, our nation will definitely fall. | Interesing thought but you are not that right. First of all being Christian does not mean anything. If you kill people and call yourself a Christian...that does not mean anything. Kids these days are affected by what they are exposed to from young ages. U.S. is probably the only country, at least major country that allows kids the freedom they have. Other countries deal with it differently. If you do not respcet your elders you get hit.You don;t follow a rule- you get hit and so on. Some kids in America are allowed to do anything they want thus creating a generation with lack of common sense,manners and people who have problems with authority. This is not why our nation will fall though. It will fall probably because of incomptence of our leaders.
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10-15-2006, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Faydwyn It was not founded that way. It was set up so that one could worship as she chooses (or not at all) and so that government was secular. Our “founding fathers” did not want a Christian nation, just as they did not want one person to have all the power. From this perspective, the U.S. is not a Christian nation, but a secular one. Therefore, the argument of the Christian Right that this is inherently a Christian nation is false.
Unfortunately, it hasn’t worked out that way and the safeguards that are in place are eroding due to actions taken by later generations including our own. Yes, the U.S. is better than Iran, for instance, because we aren’t forced to be religious. However, this country is not secular. Most Americans are Christian; and religion, Christianity in particular, is supported by the government. | This was my original intent of the term "Christian Nation." Many people say we were founded as a Christian nation, but we were founded by people escaping religious tyranny. Though they also managed to commit crimes in the name of "my religion is right and yours is wrong", the powers that came to be were smart enough to realize rules needed to be made that prevented this country from having an established religion. Unfortunately, too many sheep nowadays want to baa their way into overturning those rules and establishing a theocracy... based on their religion of course.
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