Why Do Christians Reject Muhammed???

sisterX · 06-12-2007, 02:52 PM

I was just wondering that considering there are so many prophecies about Muhammed in the Old and New testaments why do christians reject Muhammed?
Here are some of those prophecies:

Deuteronomy 18:18 “I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

Deuteronomy 18:19 “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.” (in some translations: “I will be the Revenger”).

‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him” (Geneses 18:18)

John 16:7 “…for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you.”
John 16:8 “he will convince the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.”
John 16:13 " However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will announce to you things to come."
John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.” (American Standard Version)
John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another parakletos.”

John 14:26 “and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Jesus was a prophet of God, not God:

Matthew 21:11 “...This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”

Luke 24:19 “...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.”

Paul · 06-12-2007, 04:39 PM

Some of these I'm not sure about, but I think most Christians believe they refer to someone else. The ones in John refer to the Holy Spirit.

sisterX · 06-13-2007, 07:43 AM

But the holy spirt has not come after Jesus, Muhammed came after Jesus.
Muhammed was the one who "convince the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.”
Muhammed was the one who did "not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will announce to you things to come." ie the Quran were not his own words but he was reciting the actual words of God.

The Old Testament talks about how:
Deuteronomy 18:18 “I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

The brethren of the Israelites to whom Moses was sent to were the Ishmaelites to whom Muhammed was sent to!
In the Old Testament God talks about how the new prophet will be like Moses and Muhammed was like Moses in so many ways.
It says God will put His words in His mouth, and Muhammed would have Gods words revealed to him by the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) and recite them with his mouth.
I dont get why Christian reject this Great Prophet who they have been foretold of.

Why do Christians think these verses refer to someone else? Who is this someone? When will this prophet come? And finally, why could it not be Muhammed?

Paul · 06-13-2007, 04:05 PM

I could be completely wrong because I don't know a whole lot about prophesy, so I'm kinda shooting in the dark at the moment. Most of those Old Testament verses speak of John the Baptist though I think. He was sent to prepare the way for Jesus.

The New Testament verses refer to the coming of the Holy Spirit. This happened at Pentecost in the book of Acts. This is also the place that people try to use to say that you have to speak in tounges otherwise you are not filled with the Holy Spirit.

I'm not very familiar with the teachings of Muhammad either, so I'm not sure what he was like. Sorry.

duck · 06-13-2007, 04:56 PM

I would venture to say that after the Messiah, which Christians accept Christ as such, all other prophets were considered false and to be heretics. At least as far as Christians are concerned.

Chapstiquelova · 06-13-2007, 08:36 PM

Deuteronomy 18:18 “I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

Deuteronomy 18:19 “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.” (in some translations: “I will be the Revenger”).

- this is taling about the coming of JESUS CHRIST

jaej · 06-13-2007, 09:12 PM

Revenger? I hardly think revenger describes jesus' supposed mission. Redeemer, savior, sacrifice is more appropriate, I think.

sisterX · 06-14-2007, 08:13 AM

Jaej God is said to be the 'revenger'.

Chap. In the third chapter of Acts, the disciple Peter speaks to a crowd of people and explains that Jesus has been taken up and he is in Heavan. He will remain in Heavan and HE CANNOT RETURN until all things that were promised by God come to pass. SO WHAT ARE WERE STILL WAITING FOR, DOES HE TELL THE CROWD?

He quotes this very saying of Moses...."For God will raise up a prophet from among the brothers of the Israelites like Moses...."

Christians wish to apply this to Jesus, to say that he was a Prophet like Moses. It is uncomfortable for them to recognise however, THAT JESUS WAS NOT VERY MUCH LIKE MOSES. Jesus had no father, wife, children nor did he die of old age. He did not lead a nation. He was very different from Moses.
The Bible itself says "For God will raise up a prophet from among the brothers of the Israelites like Moses...."

BROTHERS OF THE ISRAELITES.....to start off with, JESUS HIMSELF WAS AN ISRAELITE, NOT OF THE BROTHERS OF THE ISRAELITES. This fact alone suffices to show that this particular prophect IS NOT ABOUT THE COMING OF JESUS but about another prophet "like unto Moses"...like Moses. That prophet can be none other than Prophet Muhammad.

How were Moses and Muhammed similar?

1) Birth: Both Muhammed and Moses had a usual natural birth, Jesus' birth was unusual and miraculous.

2) Family life: Both Moses and Muhammed married and had children, Jesus did not marry and had no children.

3) Death: Both Moses and Muhammed had a natural usual death, Jesus did not.

4) career: Both Moses and Muhammed were prophets AND statesmen, they were both leaders of their nations, Jesus was not.

5) Forced exile: Moses was forced to exile to Median, Muhammed was forced to exile to Madina. Jesus did not exile anywhere.

Chapstiquelova · 06-14-2007, 06:46 PM

sisterx, Jesus did have both an earthly father witch he obviously didnt share dna with but that doesnt mean he wasnt a dad. and this was Joseph.
and Jesus did not have children nor a wife, but i would assume this would be towards moses' godliness not whom he married nor the kids him and his wife had.
and about the things God promised, Jesus died walked around 40days and then went be to his heavenly father, and the thing that come to pass can be found in revelation and other books of the bible , and they are told of what will happen signs of the end times and some of them have already be fulfilled.
and then Jesus will be back for his followers and we get to go him and meet our daddy.

Romulus · 06-14-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterX

I was just wondering that considering there are so many prophecies about Muhammed in the Old and New testaments why do christians reject Muhammed?
Here are some of those prophecies:

Deuteronomy 18:18 “I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

Deuteronomy 18:19 “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.” (in some translations: “I will be the Revenger”).

‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him” (Geneses 18:18)

John 16:7 “…for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you.”
John 16:8 “he will convince the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.”
John 16:13 " However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will announce to you things to come."
John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.” (American Standard Version)
John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another parakletos.”

John 14:26 “and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Jesus was a prophet of God, not God:

Matthew 21:11 “...This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”

Luke 24:19 “...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.”

The ones in the Old Testament are refering to Jesus.
The ones in are refering to the Holy Spirit. Who has come upon us. When you become a Christian and begin a relationship with Jesus the Holy Spirit comes upon you and helps you and works in you as you allow him and then the baptism of the Holy Spirit comes a little later usually and thats were we see people getting healed, speaking in tongues, prophesies, interpretation of tongues, exetera.

Jesus was a prophet. But he was also God. Jesus had and has more then one function. He is our intercessor as well. Jesus is also referred to as the high preist.