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Old 01-06-2008, 07:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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My parents hang on every word that the Benny Hinn's of the world speak.
One time I told my dad that Benny was full of crap, and my dad acted like I was about to be struck by lightning and said something about me not saying anything against "God's Anointed One"

I find it sad as my dad can't walk so he asked me to take him to a Hinn service, so I dropped him off as I went to get something to eat. My dad had great hopes of being "healed" but I guess God and Hinn don't show up for afternoon meetings where there is less money and people.

My dad still pines away his time not understanding why God won't heal him, even though I tell him that he still has all his other capacities and still can live a productive life..
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:05 PM   #22 (permalink)
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As someone who used to be religious and go to church, I'm going to have to disagree with some of the other people here. I don't think we can sit and judge a person’s sincerity or faith from the outside.
When I went to church, back when I really believed in it, I was not any better of a person than I am now. I sometimes made bad choices then, and to this day I still make bad choices from time to time. Religion doesn’t even have much to do with that- that’s just me… flawed and imperfect in character. I can only say that… every year I grow older, I’d like to think I’m moving forward and improving.
Maybe the biggest difference between then and now was that as a Christian I was more open to scrutiny and judgment, and more likely to be called a “hypocrite”. Every Christian, whether they like it or not, is treated like a representative for Christianity. Many people, without thinking things through, will take a Christian they meet at face value, and base their entire opinion of that religion off of their impression of that individual, positive or negative. (It’s kind of like the way the misinformed masses of America choose candidates during election time.)
The reason why this makes no sense is that Christians are struggling to be better people just like anyone else. Their faith isn’t a magic pill that can transform them into a saint overnight, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t trying. In fact the very idea behind a Christian’s faith is to *help* them because we all are so imperfect and because we all really have a long way to go in becoming the best versions of ourselves. People can sincerely regret things they’ve done, and sincerely have the desire and will to do better in the future… and still mess up again!! And people looking on the outside have no idea, and can’t begin to know what is going on inside of them, so it can be easy to just judge them and cast them off easily as hypocrites.
Now you may have some situations you can bring up that have to do with this or that specific individual who truly did something outrageous that would convince the average person that they use religion in a negative, harmful, and judgmental way toward others- but that’s them. The only point you will really be proving is that some of those specific individuals may have been hypocritical. That’s situational- and those individuals don’t represent all Christians.
I really don’t think it’s fair to assume that when you go to church that a lot of people are just going to “keep up appearances.” I’m willing to say maybe some people go for that reason, but as an ex-believer- who truly and sincerely believed, I really think they would only make up a very small percentage of adult church-goers.
Anyway, I just wanted to add my perspective on the matter. One of the things we should be able to pride ourselves in, as agnostics, I would think, is the fact that we are less prone to pass judgment on others. After all we’re the ones who are supposed to be the most honest with ourselves about how much we do *not* know … and that includes the hearts and minds of others.
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:11 PM   #23 (permalink)
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oh yeah- and Benny Hinn is a total con artist. When you dedicate your life to getting rich off of duping innocent people into some sort of ridiculous healing charade, I think everyone has a right to pass judgment on you as the slimey snakeoil salesman that you are!
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Old 01-18-2008, 09:57 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I'm standing at weekly Catholic mass(lots of fun) and I'm looking around at all the wandering eyes, the shut eyes, and the staring bored eyes. I really wonder how many people who show up to these masses believe in what they are hearing, are they grasping this and making there own decisions about their faith, or are they mindlessly falling in line?
I do not think catholic priest/people teach/show us enough. The mass is misunderstood by most I think.

Let me address the shut eyes.

This person lives a busy life. Kids, work, family, and friends all take a toll on them as they are pulled in every direction.

This person asks:

“Please God, just a moments rest is all I ask.”
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Old 01-19-2008, 10:29 PM   #25 (permalink)
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nKRUMMY.....hes got blue suede all over his shoes..... the healing guy that is
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Old 01-22-2008, 02:25 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I love this video the holy spirit can make people fall over and stuff but yet he cant force them to believe you would think that the holy spirit would have better things to do like save the non believers.
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