Og

I have heard all sorts of crazy modern ways to rationalize it... Like "they had perfect DNA when created.. mutations didn't kick in until they were out of the garden and through several generations due to their sinful nature.. So, initially, incest was ok."

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lauraclay

Haha. Do hillbillies have perfect DNA too?

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Og

Yeah.. The claim's connection with the bible story is less important than the inner conflict that they have about experience of reality. They see the clear evidence for evolution through natural selection and things like the increase in bad outcomes through inbreeding and yet they still want to take a fantasy version of the history of the earth as true.

So they verbally reject evolution and at the same time subconsciously accept it and try to bend it to fit their delusion.

I love taking what people say and reading both what it says about them and what it says about what they want to talk about. There's so much to be found Maybe I should be a psychiatrist!

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lauraclay

Have you ever read Dan Brown's Angels and Demons? In the beginning there's this priest who is a scientist and is determined to prove God's existence through science. It was really interesting. I'm always partial to the idea that there's something BIG in science we just haven't figured out yet. Like my crazy brain waves theory. See, before Newton defined gravity, it was here, we just hadn't realized it yet. Same with basically any facet of science. So I think maybe there's some force we just been able to learn about yet, due to maybe a lack of technology. Like what if our brains can send out waves, and in fact they do. That would explain so much. Like why sometimes you know the phone's going to ring and who's calling before it happens. Or you know what someone's going to say even if there's nothing provoking it. It could explain deja vu and premonitions. An unknown force that is just like any other force we know about could explain a lot of what religion answers but science can't yet. Like, for all we know the universe is not infinite, but there is this 'barrier' that our primitive technology can only conceive as infinity. See, now I'm sounding even more nuts, and proving my ignorance, but hey, speculation is fun.

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debdodd

Og .... you a psychiatrist???? I think you are one hell of smart guy but I think after a while, you'd just want to shake the sh#t out of one of your patients when they were so self absorbed and whining about "why did this happen to me ... my life is so horrible ...blah, blah, blah" .... and you'd want to say well you stupid bit#h if you'd quit picking loser boyfriends (or what ever) then your life wouldn't be in the toilet. Nope, love ya' dude but you would finally have to give them a reality check ... working with psych patients isn't gratifying in many instances ... if it's just an episodic problem not bad, ie a divorce, but it all goes back to my Humpty Dumpty theory ... some people are too broken to fix ... when you work in the medical field your whole life revolves around trying to "fix" people .... after a while certain MD's and nurses can't handle the pain involved with never being able to fix certain illnesses ... that's why you see many MD's & nurses that seem cold and distant ... they have to wall themselves off to it or it would overwhelm them. I've heard that most psychiatrist are in therapy themselves .... may be urban legend but ...... I think from what you've said above you'd like cultural anthropology ... studying what certain societies developed their uniqueness from say ... another cultural one mountain over ... why one progressed on way and another in a different direction. Have you ever read anything about the ritual scarring of certain African tribes? How it began not as an art form but as a mechanism for other tribes not to steal their women when they came raiding? yeah, they would deface them so they were deemed flawed and wouldn't be taken ... then after time it developed into an art form ....

Oh and there is a joke about hillbilly's and DNA .... something about why they don't have FBI DNA testing in the south ... something about the limited gene pool and Uncle Daddy ..... can't remember it .. sorry.

Oh and LC ... Dan Brown should be read just for fun. Another great read is Deception Point by Dan Brown .... it isn't one of his religious format books but I enjoyed it. I am reading Steven Erickson's trilogy of Malazan ... no matter what the reviews of it are and Stackpole, Haydon and others gave it rave reviews ... they even compared him to George R.R. Martin and Steven Donaldson and one even Tolkien ... but it sucks ... I've read two of the three so I have to finish it .... I hate when a book gets all these great reviews and you think "man. I cannot wait to read this!" and then ..... fizzle ... fade to speed reading and skimming chapters. I am a Bibliophile ... I just cannot get enough books to read ... if anyone knows of a good read ... send the book and author my way ... once in a while I like to read diversionary books rather than "knowledge" based books.

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lauraclay

Don't worry deb, I know Dan Brown is fiction. But the cool thing about fiction is speculation. Do you like Michael Crichton?

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Og

Maybe I mean sociologist deb. I certainly wouldn't shake a white trash ho because she kept on picking crappy boyfriends. I think that'd be futile. I recognize that their behavior is not simply based on choices they make, it's based on programming that has driven them into their current state. Choosing loser boyfriends is just a symptom.

That's why i was saying I should be a psychiatrist

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jaej

Double post...wtf?

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debdodd

You wouldn't necessarily do the actually physical shaking but a mental shake would be necessary ... and believe me it doesn't have to be a white trash ho' .... I've known executives wives who get therapy b/c they are miserable w/ their life .... they traded their integrity away for their jewels, homes, Lexus and way of life ... they are whoring themselves out for a way of life ... my Mom is a prime example ... give up her way of life? the house keeper, the caddie? just because he has/had a mistress or two .... they/she would rather keep forgiving their man, living in a state of denial rather than find their own life ... OMG she'd have to get a job???!! Her standard of living would be compromised .... isn't easier just to believe his BS of that he'll "never do it again" than loose your creature comforts???

Too many people wallow in their misery rather than be proactive and change it. We all hit a wall now and then but do like the football player do, get up, rub some dirt on it and keep playing! When ever I've had a friend who has the whole "pity party, whoa is me", crap going on I ask them .... where's my invitation? I know I didn't RSVP for this pity party .... I will let a friend vent but I won't feed into it for very long. an enabler is not something I want to be called. Believe it or not that's one of the things my friends say they like about me ... I tell it like it is ... as a psychiatrist you would have to couch it all in PC rhetoric rather than just give it to them straight up. Besides many people who seek psychiatric help just want to tell them how to fix it rather than work on fixing it ... "tell me what to do doc" is the most common c/o I hear from them ... they want a quick fix and don't often see that it takes time to recondition your thought process ... what am I telling you this for you know far more than I do about reconditioning of the brain .... just postulating You'd make a good sociologist .... doesn't pay all that well tho'

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debdodd

I don't think I've read much of his work ... which books would you suggest?

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