Religious Oppression by Christians. - Page 2

Paula62 · 09-10-2006, 10:01 AM

Most people are afraid of people who believe differently because they are afraid if there is another legitimate view then their own might not be "right." And when religions teach in absolutes, it matters that you be "right" or you don't get the rewards of the afterlife, whatever they are.

Christians in particular can come off pushy rather than just ostracizing because they are one of the few religions that actually is based onconversion. Most other major religions have a strong cultural component, and in general they ten to think if you're not, you can't be.

}SoC{Sumguy · 09-10-2006, 11:48 AM

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Not all christians are pushy. I know quite a few and even went to a few christian rock concerts. And well... they rocked

exactly, there is just a small portion who give the rest of us a bad image.

LilOne1989 · 09-10-2006, 04:26 PM

As a child one of my favorite singers was Amy Grant. Even though I am not a Christian I can still take a message from her music. Some music that is Christian many people would not even think of as Christian (some is even mainstream) and I think that is good cause not everything has to be "in your face". Sometimes it is good to just lay back and take it easy.

Hellacious · 09-10-2006, 04:56 PM

Has anybody read the book What God Wants by Neale Donald Walsch? Read chapter 13..that says it all!

}SoC{Sumguy · 09-16-2006, 04:16 PM

might i bring up another topic? i have seen, in the US at least, a slowly growing amount of Anti-Christian bigotry and persecution. (christian prayer banned in school, Christians in high schools not allowed to mention God in their graduation speeches when muslims are allowed to praise Allah all they want, Banning of the word "christmas" in stores without banning "Hannukah" or "Ramadan")

does anyone want to comment on that?

GloryB · 09-18-2006, 08:55 PM

You can pray any time in school, I'm sure thousands of kids do every day to themself before a test. What is banned is forcing Christian prayer on students who may not be Christian. Muslims can not praise Allah all they want nor would they for fear of being labeled a terrorist. And stores aren't banning Christmas, they are trying to market to a bigger audience (ie, non-Christians) so they can increase sales. But I still saw and took part in many Christmas sales last year and boughht a Christmas tree.

GloryB

}SoC{Sumguy · 09-19-2006, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryB

You can pray any time in school, I'm sure thousands of kids do every day to themself before a test. What is banned is forcing Christian prayer on students who may not be Christian. Muslims can not praise Allah all they want nor would they for fear of being labeled a terrorist. And stores aren't banning Christmas, they are trying to market to a bigger audience (ie, non-Christians) so they can increase sales. But I still saw and took part in many Christmas sales last year and boughht a Christmas tree.

GloryB

i was quoting specific examples, not the whole institution at large. I should have been mre specific. these are isolated cases, so far.

Faydwyn · 09-28-2006, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by }SoC{Sumguy

but we are not supposed to be pushy, but encourage only. if the people we try to convert tell us to stop, we should…and you should remember that we try to convert people as a way of helping them, not because we are told to…The bible says nothing about converting people.

But we don’t want you to even try. That’s pushing your religion. If the bible doesn’t say anything about converting people, why do it? Christianity is so widespread that if someone were interested, they would know where to look. We don’t want or need your proselytizing.

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But we don't believe we need your help. To feel you need to help us, implies that you are right and we are wrong… Just because I choose to walk a different path than you, doesn't mean that you need to come drag me off my path and have me follow yours. I'm a grown up, I've done my research and know what path I need to follow.

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wich is why i said that we shouldnt be pushy, because you might not want help.

I think you missed GloryB’s point about the arrogance behind the concept of you trying to “help.” It implies that you are right, that your path is the only right one and that everyone else is wrong. We don’t agree and we don’t want to have to tell you to “stop.”

Faydwyn · 09-28-2006, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by }SoC{Sumguy

might i bring up another topic? i have seen, in the US at least, a slowly growing amount of Anti-Christian bigotry and persecution. (christian prayer banned in school, Christians in high schools not allowed to mention God in their graduation speeches when muslims are allowed to praise Allah all they want, Banning of the word "christmas" in stores without banning "Hannukah" or "Ramadan")

does anyone want to comment on that?

I don’t really see how that’s possible. What you are citing is a secularization of the country, not anti-Christianity. No where has it been said that a Christian can’t practice their faith, it’s that their faith can’t be forced on other people. Not everyone is Christian, therefore not everything should be Christian. There is no “war on Christmas.” It’s a Christian Right propaganda tool. Nothing more.

mplltt · 09-28-2006, 06:41 PM

If I write more on this forum there will be hell to pay at a Christian-agnostic institution (ASU, perhaps?) The establishment will hate the very day that I was born to get at my head and therefore I have too much power that can't be touched. The people of other countries are somehow all ready and willing to be as aware as this generation in the willingness to follow, the lead is there but the establishment can't have it. The establishment wants me to be late for say allowances, any place or person that would help me understand will be short with me, unforgiving and insensitive because I am too impersonal with teachers. The respect the establishment gives is only on the purpose that all of them agree together and that there is no one that can possibly dissent. The establishment, powerless, cannot possibly give respect unless they are freely able to forgive. Other establishments don't do that. Read post: http://www.agnosticforums.com/morali...g-w-o-god.html.

The establishment hates it when the younger generation makes an enemy intimidated and then aware of their own success. To stop that, the establishment would make it possible to make people angry enough to never stop warring

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When is it particular in the scheme of events that (yes, I got this from the school that I studied from which is UofM-Dn) an establishment would use another establishment. I find that, and this is absolute fact, that the Ford family recieved an award from Adolf Hitler himself congradulating him on his practices of white supremacy. Now I question, and, yes on other agnostic forums the question has arisen, is there such a thing as an establishment everywhere? Now, I question, has establishment been beaten by establishment? Can establishment use beaten establishment to confuse, ruin, destroy, even spy and create dissent? Is establishment using an invisibile force in order to internally ruin its own families for the name of God? Is establishment using establishment to ruin internally their own families in order to prove that there is a GOD???? I WILL ASK AGAIN, IS THE ESTABLISHMENT RUINING TO TEACH A LESSON THAT THERE IS A GOD TO THEIR OWN FAMILIES!?????!?!?!? the establishment only says, "it won't to unize it." and if I answer, "no" to every time I ask, "anything?" to the establishment will they hear me?

just to prove that the only way to win is not to rewrite the rules about winning, rather to keep fighting until somebody puts their hands up. But this did happen (twice) and the establishment just isn't supposed to remember because the younger generation makes it possible for people to be aware of success. The establishment is selective, but only when there is no alternative. When the ground is wide open they want to kill until there is no possibility to kill anymore, everyone around the world has their hands up. This is destructive! I warn you atheists and agnostics especially, they are going to keep on keeping on this way and blame it on us, everyone will be stuck because we are non-invasive! I have seen it before and now I establish, yes, this goes against everything that I am typing but I am concerned because I am going to get oppressed, invasive or not, I have met with state leaders, senators, and world leaders (private dinners, so on and etc.) and that makes me sort of in it, although I really wish I didn't have to say this, it makes people go, "American badass" Then the establishment has won (

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I noticed that many years of christian school I was approached with the church because it was a part of the school. In fact the school did what the church wanted, essentially the church and the school went hand in hand. I came out west and since it has been ingrained in me (almost close to my every movement was judeo-christian save for the questioning absolute religious truth) I went to church out west in Arizona. Now you may say, this asshole is a christian from the start, yet I refute your direct statement. If I may retort. I go to church in order to see where the establishment is going with much of life. I find that there is a lot to learn, yet I am taught the same 3 messages: 1) progress is earned and not developed, people who make progress have earned the right all their life so a) church leaders and b) the old gentry (ie establishment) are the ones that make progress; every person in the church is progressless, stupid (ignorant), and generally worthless. 2) the world is supposed to be destroyed and so we are all supposed to hate the world, its inhabitants and every bit of progress (you see how circular this is starting to get *I like it that way*) 3) The establishment is the only subset of people that are to be respected, loved and feared. (HAHA) The establishment is out to get us. We are all pawns to the establishment and there is no progress because they have all thought they have seen everything and therefore there is no more progress. They believe that they are so old they have tried EVERYTHING, and therefore there is nothing else on earth that can possibly be tried and that there are no people on earth that can make anything new or learn anything that is different. People that are making progress are all to be poked, annoyed, told that if they are so great then how come they can't control the establishment, all their ideas have to do with sex and they are going to take sex away too; as if I care. The establishment is out to destroy the people that are making life easy on us and are out to make us all a part of their 3 problematic messages. I am an agnostic for life, and there is nothing that the establishment can do to me in order to turn around anything that I learn. There is nothing that the establishment can do to take away my desire to learn or my willingness to comply to school. The establishment is not going to bring God into engineering, the establishment is also not going to be able to start anything unwholesome in placing God in Engineering so they can start up their 3 messages again. The establishment will not use our machines against us, the establishment will not ruin progress through making elementary logic all that we study and most certianly will not be able to use the whole stack of solutions in order to compile a blood bath. I am sick and tired of being a pawn to the establishment. I am never going to church alone again. I am sure that when I am with friends, it is possible to watch the establishment move in order not to be destroyed by malignant narcicistic old people (ie establishment).

The establishment has no power, the establishment has no authority, the establishment has no ownership over the world. why? ownership has nothing left to establish. no "head" to put on things, no reason to make their significant others complain of what they do to them. Only the establishment makes problems for everyone. The estabishment is out to destroy people who make logic that is over their head. The establishment is out to see to it that every time logic is presented to make progress, IT GOES FROM WHAT WAS PRIORLY ESTABLISHED. You see, we are all pawns to this, I can't be invasive because I have no right to. I can only say, "Look it up" because all of this is written in your encyclopedia, your history textbook, your newspaper, your magazines, your internet, your television. I think that I am about to be lambasted because I am too powerful and that is not right according to the establishment. Is this jealousy? Is this gayness? I hate the former and accept the later, but don't force this on me.