xxkayxx

Ok, say that the Christian God did make us, personality and all. I'm just basing this off of the god that the bible portrays. If he made us then why would he make someone stubborn enough to not believe in Him without any real sort of proof, and just faith? It seems to me that if would do so, then damn someone to Hell (when it's really not all their faults, i mean, he Made them that way) then he coudn't possibly be the all loving God that Christians believe him to be. Furthermore, if he's omnipotent, then he must have created evil, or at least that's what i'd assume, which says even more then the bible's portrayal of him isn't quite correct. Now, i haven't exactly read the bible, i'm just basing this off of what I've heard Christians say when speaking of god.

I know this has probably been brought up somewhere else in another thread, but i just thought i'd ask.

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john76

For God, it's not about us, but about Him. God is the worst possible thing you can imagine. He has been alone for a very long time and has nothing else to do with his time but give people terrible situations and watch how they react to them - like a Soap Opera or a Jerry Springer show. In the beginning of the Hebrew bible, God created a companion for Adam, and yet had no companion for himself. He has seen everyting and has done everything and is just extremely bored with nothing else to do. God is so powerful and knowing that he can't kill himself and end the tedium. Imagine that you were in God's position - you know everything that was, or is, or ever will be, and there is nothing in existence that could surprise you because it is all by your power. God exists in a hell that far outstrips anything we could be punished by.

xxkayxx

That reminds me of this one photo on photobucket that says " dance my puppets, dance... muahahahaha -God"
http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...GodTalking.gif

Well, assuming that a God exists, and what you said is true, I'd have to say he isn't even worthy of being worshipped

John, do you believe in a hell?

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john76

Hell is what God has- nothing new, no hopes, no dreams. To exist in such a way that the next moment can offer nothing beyond the current moment. That is hell. When I am feeling love, I don't pray for myself, and I certainly don't pray for other people. I pray that God can find relief in a higher God and end his empty existence. People continuously pray in such a way that God already knows everything that was, is, and could be, without considering what a Hell it would be for God to exist in such a way. They think of themselves, and don't consider what a creator would have to endure to allow their security.

In answer to your question, I would say that eternity would be Hell. Existing forever just for the sake of not dying? What would you do? What would be the point? In case you haven't noticed, life isn't really that interesting. You have goals, you socialize, you work, you screw, you bond, you play, you suffer, you overcome, you endure boredom, not necessarily in that order, and then you do it all over again. What woul heaven be? - doing that for eternity? What would Hell be? - doing that for eternity?

In answer to your question, I don't know, but I think that at the end of our time we go the way of other animals and plants and rocks and what not: we decompose into something else and get re-used in some other form. We don't get some sort of an afterlife of pain or beatitude.

Abel

John
How can you speak as though you know the things of God since you are not even sure He exists? You have said you are uncertain about God, the future, Heaven, Hell, etc... yet you post as if you were an expert.

Kay
Why are you still asking questions about God? Are you truely seeking to understand Him? You will not understand the things of God unless you are willing to accept Him by faith. The natural person will never comprehend spiritual things until they have spiritual life. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

john76

I was just venting - too much to drink and all

john76

Tell me then, Abel. How do you know God is happy and nice?

xxkayxx

No, i could care less aout something i don't even know to be true. More like I'm seeking to understand why so many people believe in God or something like that. Some of the most intelligent people i know, and they put so much faith into something which, to be blunt, i'll never understand. There was a time that i DID believe in God, but that time has passed.

And actually, john, that was the first time i've ever heard anyone say someting about God to that liking. It's a good point though.

I actually created this thread for people like you Abel. Maybe you could answer my original question why God would create someone knowing they'd be too foolish to believe in him, since you seem to have such a deep connection w/ God?

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Abel

When I became a new creature in Christ, the Holy Spirit confirmed God's nature within me. Rom. 8:16 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:"

I'm sure God must become unhappy and discouraged with the way man is living, but He is pleased with those who have asked Him for forgiveness. We please God with our faith: Heb.11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

john76

Hi Abel. I didn't say that there aren't things that pleases God or that he is pleased with. You say: "He is pleased with those who have asked Him for forgiveness. We please God with our faith: Heb.11:6 'But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.'

There are lots of versus that express this:

Proverbs 15:8
The LORD detests the sacrifice of the wicked, but the prayer of the upright pleases him.

Ecclesiastes 2:26
To the man who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.


Ecclesiastes 7:26
I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.

Colossians 3:20
Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:3
This is good, and pleases God our Savior,

1 John 3:22
and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him.

But regardless of whether certain things do or do not please God according to some ancient book that is the compilation of many unrelated writers, my question is whether or not God is happy - not pleased. Would you be happy living forever and having no surprises in your life?