shadowind

abel I think its that we heard it before that some people talk down about it all. i haven't read the entire thread, but it seems like the open your heart, do as god says and you'll feel him thing, en maybe i skipped to many pages, correct me if I’m wrong.
my sister has told my i have a closed heart, what i think she really means is Infidel! i am god for i know all!, hehe, not really but close enough. if I’m wrong I’m cool with going to hell, nothing to fear but fear itself. besides, the devil might be recruiting personally church seems like nothing but a ceremony, and ceremony is but a trick. take away the music and the other people how many people would cry and fall down at a Pentecostal church? I feel like theres different theories that are more accurate in determining the cause of feelings and such present at such "spiritual" meetings. religion has never made sense to me. while that is as soon as i stepped out of the shadow of my parents beliefs. I’ve noticed contradictions and paradoxes, unknowns and unexplains and unexplainable, and im suppose to accept it to live for Christ, when it clear all that means is do it because it feels good. i guess i overanalyze during my youth meetings i used to go to occasionally, but i think most people don't analysis enough.

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

debdodd

You are right ..... again .... I will follow your lead ... if Abel can convince you then he can do the same for me .... Ill even agree to shave my head and be an alocyte .... so go ahead Abel ... spread 'em!

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

Abel

John try this: "If you don't, you will burn, along with a poor community of humankind in continual affliction." No "e" or "s" Sorry to be so blunt, but it was the best I could come up with on such short notice.

debdodd, this little soldier don't run away. I've withstood much worse than this. I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me.

I'm gone for the weekend...

shadowind

[quote=Abel;27232]John try this: "If you don't, you will burn, along with a poor community of humankind in continual affliction." QUOTE]

ok, so anything other then fear? and pain and what not?
besides wanting a paradise and a guardian to make all pains go away eventually, while after your done with his requirements. well anything not really superficial and hollow and driven by selfishness?

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

debdodd

the little soldier has poor grammer also .....

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

john76

"If you don't, you will burn, along with a poor community of humankind in continual affliction."

there's Christian love for you

debdodd

I'll still love you cyberbuddy and will loan you an fire extinguisher on judgement day .....

I just love Christians ... they are so kind hearted and loving until you question them and poof! the only answer is you are going to burn in hell, the end!

I used to pray to God for one itsy bitty sign ... not testing, not asking for the winning lottery ticket numbers ... the tiniest whisper would have been enough .... I went to church and prayed, did it on my knees in my bedroom, hell even went out into nature and looked upon it's beauty and requested/begged for a sign .... when I ask for spiritual guidance from our church I got squat .... asking me for blind faith ... why not ask me to take a step off a mountain and see if I live .... same result .... you die in the end ... this is all you get folks ... we are only here to spread our DNA to the next batch .... but I digress ....

back to the love fest ..... XOXO

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

john76

deb: One of my favourite movies is 'Leap of Faith' with Steve Martin. I love the evangelical music, and the healing, and the idea that in the end the whole thing turns out 'not' to be a fraud because God really 'does' love us and care for us and will show Himself and heal us when the time is right. Sadly, as you say, real life doesn't work that way. Faith is a kind of love, which is why it makes little sense to try to convert an agnostic. Even though we may want faith, it can't be forced. It would be like trying to force yourself to love someone just because you know that person would be really good for you. Like all emotions, you can't force yourself to experience love in relation to someone. You either experience it, or you do not. I don't think it's better being an agnostic, since in my view, the benefits are clearly better in being a Christian. I just can't force myself to believe in Jesus, as much as I wish I could. I'd much rather believe that I will have eternal life, but to me it just seems silly. Plus I think being an agnostic makes me sexier.

debdodd

ditto .....

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

AB517

Guess that makes us more alike than different.
We are all people.
We look for reason to be different, to be special, when in reality we are all the same.
All grains of sand on the cosmic beach of whatever.