shadowind

me
love
knowledge

the athoritity that is forced on me

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

shadowind

12 hour days in a factory that little children used to work in where they would never see the sun used to be moral enough in some people eyes, it changed though.

change is great, to much order and not enough room for change isn't benificial. Time happens desipite our desires, we change to fit the times( being part of the enviroment) why would our laws and morals not change? certainly there are some things i would like to say i'll rather die then change though.

ultimatly without god we have the same problems as god, what purpose does god have, what is god's meaning, does god never ask these questions or are we his meaning. did he create his own meaning? without god, we are god, but only our own, true a limited god, but still a god.

i think of chaos gives rise to order, that some chaos is required for peace, but even the chaos has an order to it, it has rules, makeing it deterministic.
healthy Conflict must happen for true peace to exist.

i think what we are is a result of a structureing of smaller parts, i think current theorys have the smallest being either quarks or strings(i need to do more reading) however those smaller parts are rocks one day, me the next, air after that, its ever changing, and everything has its effects, all is one part of the same system, there is no I, there Just Is, catagorization is recongization of a difference in structure, however all catagorys seem to fade into one another. also the structure apears to be made of the same thing as the next structure, theres a oneness about it. Our current structureing is classified as animal, homo sapiens. however animal has negitive connatations to some, and produces unpleasent feelings, we are after all a chemical machine, a machine with many smaller machines feed backing into the system and such, its a beutifull thing really. it seems apparent that with the right rules simpler structures can form complex ones, legos for example, or pixels, fishertechniqes, atoms, ext. however there does seem to be a point that we probally won't be able to go, or a point at least far outside of our current daily pattern observations that has such a large inpact on our ways of thinking. also, all we really do is observe patterns, thats all everything really is it seems. this is becoming to long, perhaps i should type in a topic of my ideas of how things are

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

WilliamBlue

Not sure what happens to christians if the muslims are right, but I would guess that it wouldn't be pretty

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How can we be so arrogant and egotistical to believe that the whole Universe was created just for us?

debdodd

I think you guys need to ignore Abel ... he isn't open minded and you are just fodder for his zealotry ..... we've had people just like him before and they are so sure of themselves and their scripture BS, they have no tolerance for nonbelievers ...

he is praying for all your souls and by you guys arguing with him, he gets to go bed at night thinking he is doing god's work ... by ignoring him you take the power away from him ....

I've read enough of his BS to realize all it's doing (your replies) is making him believe he is a bigger/better christian than what he really is .....

he has already shown himself to be a flawed christian and his intolerance to what others will believe will certainly not bode well for him if there is a here after ... his inflexibility will be his undoing ... just leave him alone to unravel on his own ....

he disgusts me with his sense of superiority ... disgusting smugness .... I'll see plenty of his kind in hell right next to me ....

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

Abel

debdodd
I think you need a hug. Your seething bitterness is quite unbecoming. You have made several comments that are completely false.

I am not intolerant of non-believers. My debating with others should be proof that I am interested in what non-Christians do believe.

I do not think myself superior to you or anyone else. I confess that I am a sinner. I am far from perfect. If I, in any way have appeared smug, it was completely unintentional. My confidence is in God, not myself.

I'm not sure what you meant by my inflexibility, unless you were refering to my firm belief in Jesus Christ. I make no apologies for this. At least I am bold enough to make a stand for something I believe in.

You will not see me in Hell either. If you choose to go there, it's your decision. Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

I hope your day gets better.

duck

That is one of the most patronizing posts I have seen on this forum.

I hope Deb takes mercy on you for that.

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debdodd

This will be the only time I reply to you .... you are a poor excuse for a christian .... I am not angry ... I am not bitter .... I am having a great day and a great life ..

yes you are intolerant when you spout all your crap about the rest of us going to hell. Should there be a hell I am sure they have a place in it people like you with your type of vile contempt for nonbelievers .... your type come and go on this forum ...

why not spend your time on a christian forum rather than come out and play with nonbelievers .... why? because you think you are going forth and spreading the word? give me a break .... your writing talks of your wife raising the kids, her involvement in the punishments/rewards what a crock ... You sound like one of those black and white parents ... she has her role I have mine .... that aside you still disgust me .... I have plenty of christian friends but you're the type of holier than thou Christians that I loath .... yes you come across as smug and condescending to nonbelievers .... thinking that just because you believe in jesus you get an automatic ticket to heaven ... what a sad excuse of christianity you are ...

so fair thee well abel .... see you and the rest of your type of christian in hell ...

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

AB517

let alone if he turns out to be a she

debdodd

you are too funny and know me so well ....

he is too unworthy for me to spend more than a few minutes on .... what a sad little guy ..... his type come and go around here ...

I've smacked down little fellows like him in the past and after a while there is no joy in the kill ..... like a cat and a mouse but if he wants to play ... "I'll be his huckleberry ....." (remember what movie that's from and who said it or what the end result for the recipient of that quote was?)

I pity his wife .... if he is that condescending to me can you imagine what he puts her through .... ugh! Vile little fellow ..... you know when guys spout out so loudly about certain things it's usually because they are lacking in others ..... read into that what you will .....

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

debdodd

Oh how funny would it be if he did end up being a she!!!! Thanks Airborne! I got a huge smile thinking about Abel standing at the feet of a female God getting his ass kicked and being sent straight to hell to spend eternity next to me!!! Oh and believe me I would punish him for her!!!!!

Thanks again for the visual!!! Loved it!

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."