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03-18-2008, 08:16 AM
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| God Is Not So Great The bible had been interpreted in so many ways it appears to have "lost its' way ( if it ever had a direction at all). Why doesn't the Almighty just show himself and put the record straight, once an for all... He Can do that? After all, he IS The Almighty. Take all those poor souls who insisted thagt the earth was not aty the centre of the solar system, (a solar system that "God" created [supposedly], and were put to death for the crime of heresy by those who insisted that the earth was the centre of the solar system. "Those" being the Catholic Church, preaching, for want of a better word, the word of The Almighty. This absent father figure leaves us with free will, but when it all goes wrong, comes back and punishes everyone for using thier free will.  |
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03-18-2008, 11:00 AM
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| Why I lack belief but feel there is another realm I just wanted to say, I can relate to the "God is not so Great".
Ok, What loving God would let little children die horrible deaths and suffer? Why would he want to "force" people to love him or burn in hell? Doesn't love come from the heart and not from fear? Why would Jesus have to die for my sins? If I need forgiveness of "sin" then why should anyone have had to die for it? Why could "God" not just forgive without wanting millions to hear a tale of horrid pain and punishment? When I forgive people, which I do, no one needs to suffer for it for me to forgive them. Also, why would a loving God give us life for us to spend its entirety worshipping him? (would not that be somewhat selfish?) We should live each and every minute paying homage to him?????
On the other hand, in my belief something exists beyond my human body. Once I had an experience that should have killed me and it defies all medical logic as to why I did not die. I won't give alot of detail, but I lost ALOT of blood, was unconscious for hours. (the loss of blood was massive and the EMT's said it looked like a murder scene). I lived and walked out of the hospital less than a week later and did not even require blood transfusions. I have no recollection of the hours I spent completely unconscious. The E.R. doc said, (by this time I was awake), that he did not understand why I was alive.
Let me share one little bitty experience also. I remember once I worked in a hospital and there was an ice machine in the snack bar. The floor around it was concrete and had no vibrations what so ever, there was not a person within 15 feet of it, and a very heavy metal ice scoop flew from the top of the machine across the room. It "flew" as if someone had thrown it violently. It did not just fall off on the floor. This defies all logic and basic laws of physics. I am not making this up. I was also in the company of at least 5-10 other people who saw it happen.
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03-18-2008, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spiritualquest I just wanted to say, I can relate to the "God is not so Great".
Ok, What loving God would let little children die horrible deaths and suffer? Thats sin, it comes with it
Why would he want to "force" people to love him or burn in hell? He doesnt force people, they reject him, so theres no other place to go except hell
Doesn't love come from the heart and not from fear? I fear of what he can do...I dont love him because of it, If i love him then there is nothing to fear
Why would Jesus have to die for my sins? he didnt have to, he only did it if you wanted him too. I f you dont believe then you obviously didnt want him to, it's a way to be able to get to heaven
If I need forgiveness of "sin" then why should anyone have had to die for it? Wages of sin is death
Why could "God" not just forgive without wanting millions to hear a tale of horrid pain and punishment? It would be to easy, do you forgive those who keep on hating and do bad things to you constantly
When I forgive people, which I do, no one needs to suffer for it for me to forgive them. Also, why would a loving God give us life for us to spend its entirety worshipping him? (would not that be somewhat selfish?) We should live each and every minute paying homage to him????? thats because jesus already did the suffering, why not spend eternity worshipping him...also, thats not all that there is to do up in heaven
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03-18-2008, 07:25 PM
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| 08boi.... it so nice that you do indeed have all the answers. I realize that every answer you just gave me comes from the christian church beliefs. I am not saying there is not a god or that maybe God is the same Christian god, Jesus Christ. I however, already knew the bible's answers to these questions and was here to find other points of view because I don't see how the bible can be any more perfectly translated than the human beings who have done the translations for thousands of years from many other languages. Well, guess you have me pegged and I am headed for eternal damnation and hell. Afterall, that is what other preachers have been teaching for years. Glad you have the right anwers and are sure about them.
I guess I could have just gone to a "Christian" forum so they could tell me the same thing you did. I chose this site because I am not as closed minded as the christian church.
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03-19-2008, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by spiritualquest 08boi.... it so nice that you do indeed have all the answers. I realize that every answer you just gave me comes from the christian church beliefs. I am not saying there is not a god or that maybe God is the same Christian god, Jesus Christ. I however, already knew the bible's answers to these questions and was here to find other points of view because I don't see how the bible can be any more perfectly translated than the human beings who have done the translations for thousands of years from many other languages. Well, guess you have me pegged and I am headed for eternal damnation and hell. Afterall, that is what other preachers have been teaching for years. Glad you have the right anwers and are sure about them.
I guess I could have just gone to a "Christian" forum so they could tell me the same thing you did. I chose this site because I am not as closed minded as the christian church.
Thanks,
Debra | uh, yeah, im not fully a christain yet...still not 100% sure..so, im as open minded as you are..i was just giving you the only answers you would ever get from a christain..... |
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03-20-2008, 09:13 AM
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| The days of God are numbered
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03-29-2008, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomasz | It is interesting to me how some people who claim they have no connection to a higher power feel the need to spend a tremendous amount of time on the subject.  |
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03-29-2008, 06:21 PM
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| Its curiosity  But i guess we should maybe be more focused on the NOW (life) and not death? I don't see how you can NOT think of all the things that you don't know. It would get kind of boring to not question things for all they're worth. It's just a human trait to be curious..dun dun dun.... Besides , when most people DO feel a connection to some deity, you have to question it! I can see where your coming from though, and how a person writing a book on a subject like god when he/she doesnt even believe in it might seem overthetop. Everyone just wants everyone to see things how they see it, thats how i've come to realize it. And the few that don't care, and make their decisions for themselves, have reached a maturity i only wish i come near to some day.
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03-29-2008, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by xxkayxx Its curiosity  But i guess we should maybe be more focused on the NOW (life) and not death? I don't see how you can NOT think of all the things that you don't know. It would get kind of boring to not question things for all they're worth. It's just a human trait to be curious..dun dun dun.... Besides , when most people DO feel a connection to some deity, you have to question it! I can see where your coming from though, and how a person writing a book on a subject like god when he/she doesnt even believe in it might seem overthetop. Everyone just wants everyone to see things how they see it, thats how i've come to realize it. And the few that don't care, and make their decisions for themselves, have reached a maturity i only wish i come near to some day. | My cynical view...It's an old publishers trick to come out with a controversial book with the topic being religion and exploiting truly beautiful human beings like Mother Theresa. Personally I think Mr. hitchens was looking for nothing more than to make a buck. |
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03-29-2008, 06:40 PM
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| Well, its not as bad as oj simpsons book... have you personally read this book "god is not great"?
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