God Is Not So Great - Page 2

kellid · 03-29-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by xxkayxx

Well, its not as bad as oj simpsons book... have you personally read this book "god is not great"?

I have read what I could find on the web about it and also the few bits and pieces that were in Time Magazine. Also I have seen Hutchins on C-span talking about his views. I believe he is addressing organized religions. I found a book at goodwill cost (.99) written back in 1904 regarding the history or orgainzed religion that little book in itself was much more intelligent and IMO less bias basically only using facts not opinion.

xxkayxx · 03-29-2008, 07:16 PM

Yh, i hate it when others try to force their beliefs on you, and when theyre using more opinions than fact, it just makes it all the worst. So what are this guys religious views? I'm going to guess he doesnt think god is great, but that can be interpreted in that he believes in him still. Well im off for the night. Peace.

Ice_Monkey · 06-02-2008, 07:17 AM

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I can answer these

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Originally Posted by spiritualquest

I just wanted to say, I can relate to the "God is not so Great".
Ok, What loving God would let little children die horrible deaths and suffer?
Thats sin, it comes with it

Why would he want to "force" people to love him or burn in hell?
He doesnt force people, they reject him, so theres no other place to go except hell

Doesn't love come from the heart and not from fear?
I fear of what he can do...I dont love him because of it, If i love him then there is nothing to fear

Why would Jesus have to die for my sins?
he didnt have to, he only did it if you wanted him too. I f you dont believe then you obviously didnt want him to, it's a way to be able to get to heaven

If I need forgiveness of "sin" then why should anyone have had to die for it?
Wages of sin is death

Why could "God" not just forgive without wanting millions to hear a tale of horrid pain and punishment?
It would be to easy, do you forgive those who keep on hating and do bad things to you constantly

When I forgive people, which I do, no one needs to suffer for it for me to forgive them. Also, why would a loving God give us life for us to spend its entirety worshipping him? (would not that be somewhat selfish?) We should live each and every minute paying homage to him?????

thats because jesus already did the suffering, why not spend eternity worshipping him...also, thats not all that there is to do up in heaven

You've answered nothing here.

AB517 · 06-02-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by magisterfaust

The bible had been interpreted in so many ways it appears to have "lost its' way ( if it ever had a direction at all). Why doesn't the Almighty just show himself and put the record straight, once an for all... He Can do that? After all, he IS The Almighty. Take all those poor souls who insisted thagt the earth was not aty the centre of the solar system, (a solar system that "God" created [supposedly], and were put to death for the crime of heresy by those who insisted that the earth was the centre of the solar system. "Those" being the Catholic Church, preaching, for want of a better word, the word of The Almighty. This absent father figure leaves us with free will, but when it all goes wrong, comes back and punishes everyone for using thier free will.

I suggest.
start with A god as you understand it.

religion does not own god's traits.
start there.

it is only a suggestion, nothing more.

Ice_Monkey · 06-14-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AB517

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Originally Posted by magisterfaust

The bible had been interpreted in so many ways it appears to have "lost its' way ( if it ever had a direction at all). Why doesn't the Almighty just show himself and put the record straight, once an for all... He Can do that? After all, he IS The Almighty. Take all those poor souls who insisted thagt the earth was not aty the centre of the solar system, (a solar system that "God" created [supposedly], and were put to death for the crime of heresy by those who insisted that the earth was the centre of the solar system. "Those" being the Catholic Church, preaching, for want of a better word, the word of The Almighty. This absent father figure leaves us with free will, but when it all goes wrong, comes back and punishes everyone for using thier free will.

I suggest.
start with A god as you understand it.

religion does not own god's traits.
start there..

Sure it does. Where else would such an "understanding" come from?

Og · 06-14-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ice_Monkey

Sure it does. Where else would such an "understanding" come from?

It's cool to see that it's only abrahamic religious icons being tossed into the trash in your avatar. That seems to directly correlate with your question here.

There's a Buddhist saying: "If you see the Buddha walking down the road, kill him."

Point is that the real god is inside you and who you are. If you see it outside yourself, you're mistaken. Tossing those symbols in the trash, as your avatar illustrates, is exactly that act.

Introspection and sharing/discussion with others is a good place that this understanding can come from.

AB517 · 06-14-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by magisterfaust

The bible had been interpreted in so many ways it appears to have "lost its' way ( if it ever had a direction at all). Why doesn't the Almighty just show himself and put the record straight, once an for all... He Can do that? After all, he IS The Almighty. Take all those poor souls who insisted thagt the earth was not aty the centre of the solar system, (a solar system that "God" created [supposedly], and were put to death for the crime of heresy by those who insisted that the earth was the centre of the solar system. "Those" being the Catholic Church, preaching, for want of a better word, the word of The Almighty. This absent father figure leaves us with free will, but when it all goes wrong, comes back and punishes everyone for using thier free will.

I suggest.
start with A god as you understand it.

religion does not own god's traits.
start there..

Sure it does. Where else would such an "understanding" come from?

Religions do not own God’s traits.
It starts with us.

Read Og's post.
That is a good start.

xris · 06-14-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by magisterfaust

The bible had been interpreted in so many ways it appears to have "lost its' way ( if it ever had a direction at all). Why doesn't the Almighty just show himself and put the record straight, once an for all... He Can do that? After all, he IS The Almighty. Take all those poor souls who insisted thagt the earth was not aty the centre of the solar system, (a solar system that "God" created [supposedly], and were put to death for the crime of heresy by those who insisted that the earth was the centre of the solar system. "Those" being the Catholic Church, preaching, for want of a better word, the word of The Almighty. This absent father figure leaves us with free will, but when it all goes wrong, comes back and punishes everyone for using thier free will.

I suggest.
start with A god as you understand it.

religion does not own god's traits.
start there..

Sure it does. Where else would such an "understanding" come from?

Religions do not own God’s traits.
It starts with us.

Read Og's post.
That is a good start.

religion describes you and your god and it starts with an assumption that you can not deny.

AB517 · 06-14-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by magisterfaust

The bible had been interpreted in so many ways it appears to have "lost its' way ( if it ever had a direction at all). Why doesn't the Almighty just show himself and put the record straight, once an for all... He Can do that? After all, he IS The Almighty. Take all those poor souls who insisted thagt the earth was not aty the centre of the solar system, (a solar system that "God" created [supposedly], and were put to death for the crime of heresy by those who insisted that the earth was the centre of the solar system. "Those" being the Catholic Church, preaching, for want of a better word, the word of The Almighty. This absent father figure leaves us with free will, but when it all goes wrong, comes back and punishes everyone for using thier free will.

I suggest.
start with A god as you understand it.

religion does not own god's traits.
start there..

Sure it does. Where else would such an "understanding" come from?

Religions do not own God’s traits.
It starts with us.

Read Og's post.
That is a good start.

religion describes you and your god and it starts with an assumption that you can not deny.

Ice_Monkey · 06-14-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AB517

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Originally Posted by magisterfaust

The bible had been interpreted in so many ways it appears to have "lost its' way ( if it ever had a direction at all). Why doesn't the Almighty just show himself and put the record straight, once an for all... He Can do that? After all, he IS The Almighty. Take all those poor souls who insisted thagt the earth was not aty the centre of the solar system, (a solar system that "God" created [supposedly], and were put to death for the crime of heresy by those who insisted that the earth was the centre of the solar system. "Those" being the Catholic Church, preaching, for want of a better word, the word of The Almighty. This absent father figure leaves us with free will, but when it all goes wrong, comes back and punishes everyone for using thier free will.

I suggest.
start with A god as you understand it.

religion does not own god's traits.
start there..

Sure it does. Where else would such an "understanding" come from?

Religions do not own God’s traits.
It starts with us.

Read Og's post.
That is a good start.

... being the inventors of gods, I guess it only stands to reason.