mplltt

As I am told, I am nothing. I have a room and a car and I go to school at ASU. I have friends but I am told by them that I need more. I am not sure what more that I need. I have been pretty reliable to my professors but I have found that I have no real response from them. I talk to them but they are distant, as if I am not really in their class or this is just a singular way to ignore a student with good ideas by trying to use fancy vernacular or a way to confuse a willing student who wants to learn, not be told to hit the books in utter defeat. I am told that I was made as a project by a corporation called the Limited, Inc. I was given genetic enhancement through the government in order to speak before and during birth. I was told that I was secret and that I did not exist. I was told that I have no life and that I have no future other than what I make. I have a job and I go to school. There, I make of it that I have just a little further to go and I am being tossed aside like never before. I was used by the government to stop the Cold War. I succeeded. I was told that I wasn’t worth the soil that I walked on because no one gets a phone call with people on acid standing over ICBM’s. That never happened. I was told that I don’t have a chance in hell because my parents had to see to it that this struggle never got out. I cut off my parents. I don’t even receive e-mails from them. I am being silently swept under the carpet and I have no chance to make any effort to learn and get “A’s” since I was a sophomore in college. I have been hidden away and told that I am nothing. I am the future CEO of Limited Inc. and even that is hidden from me. I have been told that I am nothing and that I have no purpose. I will tell you what I want. I want to graduate from ASU, anonymously, as an electrical engineer. I had hoped to work for Boeing electronics sitting in a cubicle and not telling anyone that have two jobs. I am an engineer, not a shirt manufacturer. I have wanted to be an engineer all my life. I have no less than months left in school and I am going to fail because I study too much (The paradox). I read the books but I get no help. I go to office hours but homework is cheap in the manner of delineation of scoring for final grade. The tests seem as if I am being told this is easy but you will never, ever be able to get this from us. You are worthless for being born. I know that the very next solution would be to go to the army and just go to war. Quit and join the military that has borrowed you to win the Cold War. I feel as if I am not free because Christianity and Judaism and Islam are out to watch me sit in a fox hole. Religion does not want me to assume that I have the right to choose my future. Religion is out to make sure that there is a default in order to make sure that freedom is not chosen it is taken from you. Religion is only there to make sure that its pledge that sex is meant to be free is taken from everyone. Religion wants to make sure that its pledge to make sure that God is taken from everyone and that we are to assume that God only belongs to the preacher, the priest, the rabbi, the church leaders that tell you what to believe when they want you to believe it. I am an Agnostic because of the shifty nature of the church. There is no church on the face of the earth when presented with the answer turns opposite and becomes a loser for the truth about humans.

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Thank you, I am impressed that you are forgiving enough to approach this line of reasoning.

MickinEngland

But the church doesn't necessarily set a good example of christianity, so why do you pay attention to them, I don't ;)
And never forget it was the church of Jesus's time that killed him!
Relax, he's onto all phoney churchmen and phoney christians -
Jesus said:-"Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

MickinEngland

If you yourself feel you need nothing more, that's fine ;)
But most humans, whether rich or poor DO feel the need for something more, something undefineable beyond our 5 human senses and beyond thismaterial world..
Here we all are, trapped in these squishy bodies on this spinning ball of dirt sailing through space without knowing how we got here or where we're going, then a young carpenter guy beams down and says - "I'm not of this world.....I'm the Messiah, the Christ, the Superprophet and the Son of God .....I'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (John 4:26, Matt 16:17,Mark 14:62,John 8:23/ Matt 13:35)

So I for one will listen, how about you Spock?
"Yes Mick, I'm all ears"..

MickinEngland

No offence mate but you sound like a proper wimp ;)
I went through all the same sort of bullying sh*t from society and the world as you did when I was a teenager 40years ago, but I soon decided in my own mind that nobody was ever going to push me around again, and I've been fine ever since :)
Christianity is all about REJECTING the world, not meekly submitting to it!
Hell, look at my topic elsewhere in this forum about Jesus saying the greatest man ever to be born was a scruffy dropout !
When I realised in my late teens that the Bible backed me up every inch of the way in my anti-world stance, it felt good and I've never looked back since!
Sorry to throw the following truckload of quotes at you but they say it all, so take strength from them and do your own thing rather than letting the world call the tune. Just sit out the crazy dance -
Jesus said:- "The world wants you to dance to its tune" (Matt 11:16/17)
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Pet 1:18 )
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Rom 12:2)
"Don't love the world or the things in it,otherwise the love of God is not in you" (1 John 2:15-17)
"Set your mind on things above,not on things on the earth" (Col 3:2)
"For we look at things unseen rather than the seen,for the seen are temporary,but the unseen are eternal" (2 Cor 4:18 )
"Become a fool by the worlds standards,in order to become wise" (1 Cor 3:18/19)
Jesus said:- "Whatever is valued by men is detestable to God" (Luke 16:15)
"A friend of the world is the enemy of God" (James 4:4)
"You died with christ from this world,so don't keep submitting to its rules" (Col 2:20)
"You were dead when you followed the ways of the world" (Eph 2:1/2)
Jesus said:- "In this world you'll have trouble, but cheer up, I've beaten the world!" (John 16:33)

mplltt

Clarifying what I have said would be useless and in a sense would just make you want to...aw hell, I mean to say that war is on, SCREW the nerds. If you are at war, bullets and bullet dodgers are all that determines future. I am going to say some naughty things about your quotes, especially since I don't believe that there is a way to say things nicely. I want to say that yes, Jesus may have come down to Earth (more than once perhaps) but Christ spends a lot of time saying stuff about how he runs everything when he does a lot of complaining and furthermore he just wanted to have a family and raise a couple of kids. What's a father to well, everything, supposed to do? He can't possibly have children (as it is written) and save the lives of every human being to believe in Christ. So he died. Great. Then he rose again. Great. Maybe I know of a few friends that died, forced to breath and regain control and get up and walk after three days. For what it is worth, Christ can die and rise again, so can I. I would less be willing to brag than to avoid getting killed.

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Thank you, I am impressed that you are forgiving enough to approach this line of reasoning.

MickinEngland

Mate, from where I'm sitting it looks like the world has got you by the balls.
I say again, Christianity is all about breaking the worlds grip on us, try it ;)

}SoC{Sumguy

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well, to try and put it nicely, although i beleive (know, in fact) that your memory of the evens of your life as you remember thaem could not possibly have occured, i do agree with MickinEngland about christianity. God has not alienated himself from you, you have alienated yourself from him. Accept him, and he will take you into his arms as he has wished to do since you first cameinto existence.

"seek ye first the kingdom of God, and its righteousness, ask and the gates shall be opened unto you"

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"And now you've seen his face,
and you know that there's a place
in the sun, for all that you've done.
For you and your children.
You always wanted to beleive.
Just ask and you'll receive,
beyond your wildest dreams.
And you already know how this will end...."