Baptising - Page 2

Ronin · 10-18-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OneofaKind

It's interesting the way in which people talk about indoctrination.

If you believe that something is good and right for your children you teach it to them and want it to be the guiding principles for their life.

If you believe in God, you teach your children about God and want them to live in line with the principles. Similarly, if you believe it is wrong to steal or to lie, you teach your children not to do so.

When they grow up, they deciede what to do. To share their parents believes - be it in God, not stealing etc or otherwise.

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That being said, there’s a big difference between simply teaching your children your beliefs and keeping them completely sheltered. I don’t think it’s right to keep children from information. * They should be allowed (and encouraged) to learn all that they can. Parents should teach their children to be critical thinkers, that way they can come to conclusions on their own.

Faydwyn took the words right out of my mouth (or whatever). Of course parents have the right to teach children what they beleive. What I mean by "indoctrination" is when parents not only tell children what to beleive, but telling them that they'll go to hell if they don't beleive it, punishing them if they question it, forbidding them to read books that present a different viewpoint, etc. That sort of thing can scar a child for life. I should know. I'll never forget the time my dad called me an "abomination" becasue I asked why I couldn't wear pants like the other little girls (I beleive I was 7 or eight at the time). All of the scary "end time" videos he made us watch (I still jump when I hear a train whistle - it sounds like the trumpet that's suppose to anounce the rapture.) The BS creationist "science" he taught me when I came home from school excited about something I had learned in science class. My younger siblings are still behind in school b/c my parents tried to take them out and homeschool them with some second hand christian "curriculum" someone gave them, even though they didn't have the time, just so that they could better screen them from "evil influences" (i.e., public school education). And yet, when I told them I no longer beleived in Jesus, they forbid me to explain why to my hurt and confused little sisters and brother, even though they asked me to over and over, for fear that I should "brainwash" them! Which didn't stop them from telling them that I was an atheist behind my back.

Yes, this is the bitter ranting of a damaged adult. But here is the point: What is the difference between normal parents who make their kids go to Sunday school when they'd rather stay in bed and the mental abuse I described above? The former is based on giving information, and the latter on withholding it.

MickinEngland · 12-01-2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by THEWAULRUS

Do you think it is good? And I am talking of baptising little newborns because I personally think it is not right. I have baptised without my concent, when i was born. I did not get to even choose. Should there be an age limit to when you can baptise the person? So they actually knew what they are doing.

Relax, baptism is just a ceremony for those who like razzmattaz, I haven't been baptised and don't give a hoot ;)

BAPTISM by Mick
Question:- If baptism is so absolutely 100 percent vital and essential and indispensable for salvation (as some people think),why isn't it one of the 10 Commandments?
The answer is Jesus saves, not baptism ;)
I haven't been baptised because it simply never crossed my mind ,as I've no interest in dead material atoms of H2O, and to his credit even a Baptist Minister told me its not necessary for salvation. Yet some people think it automatically makes them "holy" despite baptism and the coming of the holy spirit being completely unrelated:-
"The holy spirit hadn't come upon the Samaritans as they'd simply been baptised" (Acts 8:16)

Even the great Paul said:-"Jesus sent me not to baptise,but to preach the gospel" (1 Cor 1:17)
We need no weak water to wash us clean.
Jesus said:- "You're already clean through the word I spoke to you" (John 15:3)
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Stephanie2377 · 12-08-2006, 10:41 PM

I am Catholic and was baptized as an infant. My parents took an oath to raise and teach me in a certain way (in the ways of their faith.. Catholicism). They are in charge of this until I am considered old enough to decide whether to continue on with my own beliefs or not. When I was 13, I went through the sacrament of Confirmation. This is when I made the choice to continue with the Catholic faith and took the vows on my own.

We baptized our son when he was 2 months old. It is a beautiful ritual, and it was our way of making a vow to raise our son with the teachings of our faith.

techluck · 12-10-2006, 05:29 AM

I was baptised as a child and can only remember the new dress and the party afterwards. Had no idea what was going on- what good did that do?

Grant · 12-10-2006, 03:40 PM

Personally, I don't support infant baptism. Baptism is meant to be symbolic of one's devotion to God... can an infant who doesn't know what "God" is in the first place have devotion to Him? No...

-T-

Stephanie2377 · 12-13-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Grant

Personally, I don't support infant baptism. Baptism is meant to be symbolic of one's devotion to God... can an infant who doesn't know what "God" is in the first place have devotion to Him? No...

-T-

The whole point of the infant baptism is that the parents are the ones showing their own devotion to God, and their promise to raise the baby with the beliefs and teachings of the Church. Since the infant is unable to know God yet and unable to make their own promises, the parents do it for them. Then, when the child is old enough, they go through confirmation when they make the decision to make their own promise and devotion to God.

This is how it is in my faith!

mamab · 12-13-2006, 10:00 PM

My understanding of baptism is that it's an outward display of the work that God has done inwardly. Therefore, from that standpoint, an infant isn't in NEED of baptism because they haven't had any work done inwardly.

It seems that Stephanie is coming from a Roman Catholic view, which is different from a "Protestant" view. For us, we "dedicated" our child to God and promised to raise him as a Christian. However, we believe that the child has to realize they have sinned, are in need of a Savior, and then are baptized for the remission of their sins.

Stephanie2377 · 12-14-2006, 08:40 PM

Thanks for explaining that, MamaB! That is very helpful to me.

I had a few protestant friends growing up who were bound and determined to "save me" from going to hell. (they said I would go to hell because I was Catholic and had never been saved) I am glad you explained the difference in the Catholic view and Protestant view.

And, yes, I was raised Roman Catholic.

**The An-Jel** · 12-15-2006, 02:25 AM

Butchery by chopping a part of your childs penis off is merely debasement of your animal nature. We were BORN with that part to titilate the womens clitoris. I haven't a tip to my penis... My father does. They been together for 25 years... I feel like a victim.

Jeff Cross · 12-22-2006, 12:35 AM

Ummmmm....yeah. That's circumcision......
Anyway, at the church I attend, the infant baptism is more of a "Hey, here's the new kid, everyone! A new member of the family! Let's all pitch in and help raise this kid in a loving, nurturing environment. Yay! (splash)"
Hey, that's pretty good.....I think I'll suggest my version for the next baptism.....hmmmm....