AB517

The first one is good.

I should have said:

"Does the bible offer the only discription possible?

Have a good trip, be safe. Enjoy people for what they are "people".

romansh

it's OK jj ..... you're not literally going to hell....

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Vinterland

Except I never said this. You have a very small mind; I suggest you re-read all of my statements and then form a coherent argument and for your sake, don't quote me out of context again.
No, you're just another atheist who has not found God yet.

I believe so.

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And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
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kschmidt91

Not to offend anyone, but how can you believe that the description in the Bible of God is the only God? The Bible was written by man, and there for contains ideas by man. Just because they were influenced by the "Holy Spirit" means nothing. They were INFLUENCED, and then added their owns beliefs. These ideas were built upon and added to throughout time to get the image of God we have today. Just because a historical document (i.e. the Bible) says something does not mean it's true.

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shaun

Got any proof for this assumption?

Got any proof for this assumption?

Just because a historical document (i.e. the Bible) says something does not mean it's not true.

kschmidt91

Ah very true. But this is based off of what i have gathered from my church and personal research. Going through conformation I have learned that the Bible was written by God through man, and these men added their beliefs into their writtings (this was said by my church, not me).

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shaun

Just because your church says this doesn't mean it's true. Do you have evidence, or are you just parroting what someone told you without actually doing substantial research yourself?

Vinterland

You have clearly not learned anything. You're as hopeless as a literal creationist and some of other the "agnostics" on this forum.

He's been parroting ever since page one. I was fed up with it after this:
http://www.agnosticforums.com/christ...html#post19944

I wasn't as nice as you, but I'm not in a bad mood anymore.

I didn't see you introduce yourself to the forum, so welcome and I hope you enjoy it here.

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And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”

kschmidt91

Yes I was parroting, but to see if what was told to me made any sense to anyone. I now am happy to have other opinions on these matters as to further establish my own beliefs.

And I thank you for the welcome.

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Requiem

I'm just wondering what substantial research you could do by yourself besides reading the actual bible and/or listen to what other people have said/written about the bible, which, apparently according to your implied definition would be "parroting". If we always go on the assumption that anything someone else says or writes is wrong without doing our own research, especially about history, how will we ever reach any valid conclusion at all? And what personal research do you expect this kid to do, go read original documents of the era? He's basing his argument on the only information he's received, how can you criticize him for that? That’s like blaming someone for not knowing the sky is blue, when they have never seen it and have always been told it’s green

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