Vinterland

They're assumptions based on spiritual revelations and the revealed Bible. And I doubt there is a Christian who doesn't anthropomorphosise God as Good, literal or non-literal interpreter.

Hmm...those are nice opinions.

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And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
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kschmidt91

I have to agree that good and evil are only conceived by man. Yes they are written about in the Bible, but the Bible was written by man. Even if the person was being influenced by the Holy Spirit, it was still written by a man who has conceived notions of good and evil.

Also, I started thinking on prayer. How can prayers be effective at all? Most, if not all, ask God to protect someone, or give them strength, or to make them better. All of those involve God taking away someone's free will in one way or another.

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AB517

Hi

I am catholic too.
It is a god as you understand him first.
Do not ever be afraid of questioning, God doest not what you to stop. He also doesn’t want you to choose him because some one told you too. He loves you because you chose to be loved.

Omniscient?
Remember, part of the definition of Omniscient is to “know everything possible”.
That means knowing what you will probably choose. Nothing more can be known.

No one knows what God is.
He had to make the universe exactly the way it is.
Do you understand that?

He knows what you will probably do. As we move forward in time (away from now) the probability of him knowing decreases. If God has unlimited knowledge then he can learn more. Maybe watching you chose helps him learn.

Determination and free will work hand in hand.

kschmidt91

That helps to clear things up. But the leaders at my church would disagree with you. From what I've learned talking to them, God exists in the "eternal now" and knows everything that is going on in any given point in time, so He knows what your going to do from the second the universe was created and also X amount of years after your dead. Thats what reaqlly got me tripped up.

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Geshtinnanna

To be perfectly honest and factual... no one has a clue what God knows or doesn't know. It's all a guess in the end. Maybe yeah it's an educated guess, but it's still a guess. So I would rather not play a guessing game and not really care what it knows or doesn't know. Who cares? Does it change you in any way?

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AB517

"Eternal now" is just that, “NOW”.

I mean no disrespect to your pastor but the others are right.
No one knows what God is.

Religions are of men and as such have the limits of men woven into them.

Ask your Pastor what religion was Jesus?
He was not Christian.
Was he a Jew?
So what was he?

He was a man of God not men.
He understood the limits of this world when compared to the universe.

You are so young I do not want to answer you anymore in posts like this.
Never stop observing the universe.
Never stop asking these types questions.

The seekers of knowledge are the finders of truth.
Jesus showed me this.

Good luck
God bless you.

Vinterland

Except you have not even stated your basis for believing this and not only do you continue to state your opinions ad nauseum , but you've resorted to agreeing with someone who disagrees with me like the parrot you are. And the rest of your post is honestly, really stupid. These are statements and questions that someone who is extremely ignorant would make, questions I asked as a child. Perhaps you should try the approach of being more open-minded instead of stating your conclusions without providing any reason. Stay in school.

God is described in Bible, therefore we know exactly what He is and I explained that God doesn't have to do anything He doesn't want to.
Where did you learn this stuff? Keep in mind that "time" means nothing to God. Omnipotence includes omniscience by definition, and that means God knows everything; He does not "learn" from us. Learning is a human attribute.
Please elaborate.

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And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”

AB517

Before I answer

Do you take the bible literally?
Is the god of the bible the only one there can be?

Vinterland

No, and I never could again.
Yes, there is only One. I am not an objectivist or another of the kind.

I look forward to your response, but I will have to wait to respond until sometime during the weekend or next week because I'm going out of town for TG.

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And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”

jaej

For someone who doesn't believe the literal bible, you're being an awfully staunch advocate of biblical doctrine. You're the one trapped in circular logic, not kschmidt91. Your cereal example is, honestly, really stupid. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you said is that the omniscient knew that said person was going to eat Reese's Puffs for breakfast. He knew it; it was fact. Then, unbeknownst to the OMNISCIENT god, said person changed their mind and ate candy instead. Either your concept of omniscience is off or your brain is off. If god was omniscient he would know that instead of eating cereal, our breakfaster would change his mind and eat candy.

Seems to me like you're rationalizing...or maybe I'm going to hell because I'm rational, a characteristic that appears to be lacking among christians....

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