proving all other religions wrong.

El_Mariachi64 · 10-03-2007, 02:02 AM

This question (and the inevitable answer) is one of the ones that turned me into an agnostic. This is mainly aimed at believers to see if they can do it, rationalize it effectively

The question is NOT to prove YOUR religion right. Prove everyone else's is wrong. This has nothing to do with atheist thinking. Say I'm a Sun worshiper. Prove to me that I'm wrong and you (a Christian) are right.

-EDIT- okay, the sun was a bad choice. Say I believe in the Greek Gods living on Mt. Olympus drinking ambrosia all day. Prove that wrong.

danarch · 10-03-2007, 02:52 AM

"the father , the son, and the holy spirit"

son=sun

sun worshipers are farther back on the religious evolutionary chain. christians have assimilated sun worshiping which has transgressed into sun being son. as we can see, even logic cannot be opressed forever. sun worshiping is illogical. we can send probes to it to look at it with different lenses like x-ray and infared. we cant send probes to see the christion god because....welll.....no one knows exactly where to look. the bible seems to only link heaven with the afterlife. but in genesis heaven was there before the universe was created, so it must be outside this universe. we will get there one day and see whats up. but for now we just have to have faith brother. have you found jesus yet my sun worshiping friend?

:de vil2:

:devi l2:

Lecter · 10-03-2007, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Mariachi64

Say I'm a Sun worshiper. Prove to me that I'm wrong and you (a Christian) are right.

hmmm well it depends on your definition of God really. If by God you mean the all powerful, everlasting creator of the world then I think I might be able to prove you wrong.

Science says the sun is a star, and that stars 'die', therefor you are worshiping a dying God

El_Mariachi64 · 10-03-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lecter

Science says the sun is a star, and that stars 'die', therefor you are worshiping a dying God

hmm, touche - lol

**George** · 10-03-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lecter

hmmm well it depends on your definition of God really. If by God you mean the all powerful, everlasting creator of the world then I think I might be able to prove you wrong.

Science says the sun is a star, and that stars 'die', therefor you are worshiping a dying God

Good one and quick thinking.

+rep for that

Searcher · 10-04-2007, 12:05 PM

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-EDIT- okay, the sun was a bad choice. Say I believe in the Greek Gods living on Mt. Olympus drinking ambrosia all day. Prove that wrong.

I don't personally have proof, but I'm fairly certain that if you ask those who took photos like this one :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M...summit_PJS.JPG

They will testify they found no such thing and no signs of The gods at the summit (s?).

Searcher · 10-04-2007, 12:09 PM

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Science says the sun is a star, and that stars 'die', therefor you are worshiping a dying God

Does this constitute proof? Please prove the accuracy of this statement. Please prove the Sun is a star, and that it will die. And I do not mean using assumptions - absolutely everything has to be shown in order to withstand scrutiny. Even if 100,000 other scientists agreed with it to this point, doesn't mean none of them missed anything.

Even that very simple God, is very very hard to disprove if you are 100% thorough and skeptical.

El_Mariachi64 · 10-04-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Searcher

I don't personally have proof, but I'm fairly certain that if you ask those who took photos like this one :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M...summit_PJS.JPG

They will testify they found no such thing and no signs of The gods at the summit (s?).

well, a true Greek god believer would politely explain that us, as mere mortals, can't just climb Mt Olympus and expect them to be there. We can only see them when they choose to show themselves to us, either for their amusement or to use us in some way, like settling old grudges one God might have with another (Paris, from the Iliad, was tasked by some Goddesses to choose the most beautiful among them - the sore losers of the contest took revenge on Paris and his entire city of Troy by helping it to be destroyed)

Obviously, the Gods didnt' have any use for the climbers so they didn't bother showing themselves

pseudonous · 10-05-2007, 01:59 AM

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Does this constitute proof? Please prove the accuracy of this statement.

Good point. I didn't notice it at first but the proof given that the sun is not a god started by saying the sun is a star. The rest of the disproof wasn't really necessary; it just gave it the illusion of being a counter arguement rather than a simple denial.

danarch · 10-05-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Mariachi64

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Originally Posted by Searcher

I don't personally have proof, but I'm fairly certain that if you ask those who took photos like this one :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M...summit_PJS.JPG

They will testify they found no such thing and no signs of The gods at the summit (s?).

well, a true Greek god believer would politely explain that us, as mere mortals, can't just climb Mt Olympus and expect them to be there. We can only see them when they choose to show themselves to us, either for their amusement or to use us in some way, like settling old grudges one God might have with another (Paris, from the Iliad, was tasked by some Goddesses to choose the most beautiful among them - the sore losers of the contest took revenge on Paris and his entire city of Troy by helping it to be destroyed)

Obviously, the Gods didnt' have any use for the climbers so they didn't bother showing themselves

Im sure that contingency plan was in place for people of that theism at that time. we should pretend agnosticism is a religion and convert people...