Why do people say the bible is wrong

mary · 07-29-2007, 07:20 PM

Why do some people say that the bible is a pack of lies?

Apparently the bible was written (400 years?) after Jesus was crucified (??)
can someone please clarify this for me?

duck · 07-29-2007, 07:51 PM

I will never say the bible is a pack of lies. It is metaphors, allegories, and interpretations.

**Drac** · 07-29-2007, 07:52 PM

I view the bible as I would any good mythology. I just dont see it as literal truth.

I believe most of the gospels of the New Testament were written well after the crucifiction. I am sure someone here can give a concrete answer for about when each were written. I believe the first gospel to be scribed was around 60-100 years after Jesus died. All of them were passed by word of mouth generation by generation, not unlike any ancient folklore.

Og · 07-29-2007, 08:21 PM

I view the bible as a pack of lies.. I also view "Star Wars" as a pack of lies.

"An artist uses lies to tell the truth." -V

mary · 07-31-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Og

I view the bible as a pack of lies.. I also view "Star Wars" as a pack of lies.

"An artist uses lies to tell the truth." -V

please no arguments!!

if people argue back and forth it'll end up as a thread of 500 posts, but we wont learn anything from it.

mary · 07-31-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Drac

I view the bible as I would any good mythology. I just dont see it as literal truth.

I believe most of the gospels of the New Testament were written well after the crucifiction. I am sure someone here can give a concrete answer for about when each were written. I believe the first gospel to be scribed was around 60-100 years after Jesus died. All of them were passed by word of mouth generation by generation, not unlike any ancient folklore.

im actually interested in this topic, ive always wanted to know why they waited so long. is there any specific reason? im guessing its because back in those days there were so many illiterate people.

Whats the name of the guy on this forum who knows a lot about christianity? Im sure he might know (and if he's reading this right now, can you please kindly post a few relevant quotes from the bible so that i can learn, rather than just repeating what other people say)

**Jayhawker Soule** · 08-01-2007, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mary

Whats the name of the guy on this forum who knows a lot about christianity? Im sure he might know (and if he's reading this right now, can you please kindly post a few relevant quotes from the bible so that i can learn, rather than just repeating what other people say)

Mary, if you're truly interested you would do well to invest a little time and money into such books as

Udo Schnelle's THE HISTORY AND THEOLOGY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WRITINGS, or
Helmut Koester's Ancient Christian Gospels: Their History and Development

A good online overview is available at Kirby's Early Christian Writings, but it is no substitute for reading some of the basic scholarship.

Tanglefoot · 08-06-2007, 04:57 PM

Not an expert on Christianity here, but the first gospels were oral stories passed down, then they were written down by unknown folks and then rewritten, and rewritten. Mark was the first Gospel to be written according to those who study such things and the estimate on it was between 55 bc to 85 bc. Just depends on who one listens to. If in fact that there was an historical Jesus, no one was following him around with pen and paper to report it. Bottom line, we have four gospels out of 30-50 that made the Bible, we don't know exactly when they were written, or who wrote them, or how many times they were edited by other writers. Not sure if this limited explanation helps at all.

knownever · 08-07-2007, 12:02 AM

Cool topic.

I don't believe the Bible is infallible, literal, or the only guide for life. I have immense respect for the Bible as well as other religious texts. I think it's an excellent spiritual guide, lessons through metaphor. It's to be respected, but it can't all be taken literally. This would mean, as some people really believe, the world was created in 7 days ~5000 years ago, dinosaurs never existed, Moses parted the red sea, and so on. I always thought the figurative illustrated the literal (the 10 Commandments, turn the other cheek, etc), but that's just me. Even if you don't consider it a spiritual guide or think it bunk, you gotta repsect it as great literature at minumum; Solomon's Song of Songs is absolutely beautiful.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I always understood the Bible to be "abridged". When the Biblical canon was put together (not sure when), weren't books left out? Also it has been translated so many times, so could it be that some of the true meaning is lost in translation? Also, language changes over time, so what meant one thing thousands of years ago could have a totally different meaning today.

mary · 08-07-2007, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by knownever

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I always understood the Bible to be "abridged". When the Biblical canon was put together (not sure when), weren't books left out? Also it has been translated so many times, so could it be that some of the true meaning is lost in translation? Also, language changes over time, so what meant one thing thousands of years ago could have a totally different meaning today.

Yeah, they left out the Apophyca (spelling?) but you can still buy Bibles which have included them.