Mac

Cherry, I appriciate your passion. In my case I would love to believe in a higher power and eternal life...but just can't. It just doesn't make sense to me, and I would be lying in my heart if I walked around saying I did believe. I'm not saying that there is no God...I hope there is. If there is a God then for some reason he made me with a mind that will not accept as fact something I can't know to be true. As I stated in another thread I attend church and have marvelous conversations with the pastor...but I just can't get on board. Who knows, maybe it will change...I mean who in their right mind would say no to life after death???

Tango

the bible is literal truth, eh?

Micah 5:2 states that the messiah will come out of bethlehem. Jesus, however, was from galilee. matthew and luke, the gospels that give the account of the birth of jesus, had to get jesus to bethlehem somehow if the story of him as the messiah is to be believeable. according to matthew, mary and joseph were already in bethlehem, and moved back to nazareth after the birth of jesus.

according to luke, mary and joseph already lived in nazareth. how, then, would they get to bethlehem? luke, writing his gospel many years after the life of jesus, remembers a census was taken by caesar augustus during the time when Quirinius was governor of syria. luke, however, remembered wrong on two counts: first, the census was a local one, not one of the whole empire, and it was not decreed by caesar. luke was wrong. second, the census happened in AD 6, six years after the supposed birth of jesus. thus, the bible is historically inaccurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirinius

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Astreja

Extremely unlikely; possible, but not proven; possible but not proven; possible but not proven.
I doubt that very, very much.
We do judge; in fact, I am judging you right this instant. And there's still no proof that your god actually exists.
Bound by law? Then your god is a weakling.
The god described in the Bible is a despicable, murderous egomaniac. I reject it.
If those choices were actually real (and I doubt it with all my heart), I would be compelled to deliberately choose hell in an act of solidarity with all other beings sentenced to spend eternity there. It is immoral to worship and support any being that creates hell-like places.

Death does not disturb me in the slightest. Although dying may turn out to be unpleasant, I have no reason to believe that my thoughts will continue to exist after my brain shuts down. Where were you before you were born? Where were you in the dreamless portions of last night's sleep? That is "life after death" in a nutshell.

In the meantime, I do have life and live it to the full. No Jesus required.

jaej

It's apparently not obvious since cherrysmile is so insitent it's god's work.

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duck

In your words. You said that exactly.
Likely, unlikely, impossible
That is so highly unlikely, I can't even begin to explain


I'll be fine. Will you?

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I have all that without Jesus. It's really nice.