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Old 06-22-2007, 05:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR’AN AND BIBLE

If you glance through the Bible and the Qur’an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.

a: Creation of the Universe in Six Days
As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, ‘Ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.

When the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.

b:Sun Created After the Day
The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.

c:Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.

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d:Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?

If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur’an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.

e:The Sun and the Moon both Emit light
According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night".

Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur’an is to think of something impossible.

There are More than 100 scientific errors (mistakes) in bible My intention of presenting these Errors or mistakes are not to Hurt the Feeling of any christian it was just a reply to Bible I apolagize if i hurt the feeling of anyone.

"But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, We shall soon admit to Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath – their eternal home; therein shall they have companions pure and holy: we shall admit them to shades, cool and ever deepening". [Al-Qur’an 4:57]
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Old 09-19-2007, 06:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Probably the scientists will not found that funny the Hadeeth entry where the Sun sets on a black lake...

And if the Jews didn't lock up their Torah from Muslims, the primary reason of Jihad, you would have the same mistakes from the Bible on Quran.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
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In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy… disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that… ‘Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water - later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it.
Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as well as toxin - I hope any Christian brother/sister does not use this method of disinfecting the OT, the operation theatre. It is mentioned in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.12, Verse No.1 to 5, and we know medically, that after a mother gives birth to a child, the post-partal period, it is unhygienic. To say it is ‘unclean’, Religiously - I have got no objection. But Leviticus, Ch. No.12 Verse No.1 to 5, says that… ‘After a woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 33 days more. If she give birth to a female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child… ‘a son’, she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child… ‘a daughter’, she is unclean for 80 days. how come a woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a female child, as compared to a male child.The Bible also has a very good test for adultery - How to come to know a woman has committed adultery, in the book of Numbers, Ch. no.5 Verse No..11 to 31. I’ll just say in brief. It says that… ‘The priest should take holy water in a vessel, take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And that is the bitter water ‘And after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the people. If the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she will bear the seed. A novel method of identifying whether a woman has committed adultery or not. You know today in the world, there are thousands of cases pending in different parts of the world, in different courts of law - only on the assumption that someone has alleged that a woman has committed adultery. I had read in the newspapers, and I came to know from the media, that the President of this great country Mr. Bill Clinton, he was involved in a sex scandal about 2 years back. I wonder, that why did not the American court use this ‘bitter water test’ for adultery? He would have gone scot-free immediately. Why did not the Christian missionaries of this great country, specially those who are in the medical field like my respected Dr. William Campbell, use this bitter water test to bail out their President, immediately.


In the Field of Hydrology
the Bible say regarding ‘Hydrology’? Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13 to 17, that… ‘After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and after the flood’ subsided, He said… ‘I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. To the unscientific person it may be quite good… ‘Oh rainbow is a sign of Almighty God, never to submerge the world by flood again.’ But today we know very well, that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah, peace be upon him. To say it was not there before Noah’s time you have to assume that the law of refraction did not exist - which is unscientific.’
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In the field of Zoology, it is mentioned in Leviticus, Chapter No.11 Verse No.6, that… ‘Hare is a cud chewer.’ We know that Hare, does not chew cud’ - Previously people thought by the movement of the hare. Now we know hare is not a cud chewer, neither does it have a compact mentalised stomach. It is mentioned in the Proverbs, Chapter No. 6, Verse No. 7, that… ‘Ant has got no ruler, no sear, no chief.’ Today we know that ants are sophisticated insects. They have a very good system of labour, in which they have chief, they have foreman, they have workers. They even have a queen, they have a ruler - Therefore Bible is unscientific. Further more, it is mentioned in the Bible, in Genesis, Chapter 3, Verse 14, and Isaiah Chapter 65, verse No. 25, that… ‘Serpents eat dust.’ No Geological book says ‘Serpents eat dust.’ It is mentioned in the Book of Leviticus, Chapter No.11, Verse No.20… ‘Among the abomination things, fowls with four feet - They are an abomination.’ And some scholars say that ‘fowl’ is a wrong translation of the Hebrew word ‘uff.’ In King James, it should be ‘insect’ or ‘winged creature.’ And in New International Version, it says… ‘Winged creature.’ But it says… ‘All insects which are four footed, are an abomination - They are detestful for you.’ I want to ask by Dear Respected Christian Borthers/Sisterst that ‘Which insects have got four feet?’Even a student, who has passed elementary school, knows that insects have got 6 feet. There is no bird in the world, there is no foul in the world, there is no insect in the worlds, which have got four feet. Furthermore there are mythical animals, and fabulous animals mentioned in the Bible, as though they exist - For example unicorn. It is mentioned in the Book of Isaiah, Chapter 34, Verse No.7, talking about unicorn as though it exists. You look open the dictionary, it says… ‘An animal which has got a horses’ body, and a horn which is only available in myths.’ I would only say that I apologize if I have hurt the feelings of any Christians - That was not my intention. The intention of the Topic was just to Give or bring the Christians into the Right Path. If we compare this Section of www.n-islam.com with the Qur'an and Science it Proves that Bible, though a portion we do consider, may be the word of God - Complete is not the word of God - It is not in conciliation but if we Glance once in both sides it seems that The Glorious Qur'an is the Complete word of Allah(s.w.t) Almight God in the art of Earth the single Book in the Art of Earth which can be Called as word of God is THE NOBLE QUR'AN.



In the field of ‘Diet and Nutrition’ lets analyse, what does the Bible say. The Bible says in the book of Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No.29, that… ‘God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.’ New International Version says… ‘The seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.’ Today, even a layman knows that there are several poisonous plants like wild berries, stritchi, datura, plants containing alkaloid, polyander, bacaipoid - that which if you ingest, if you eat there are high possibilities you may die. How come the Creator of the universe and the human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die. I hope Christian Brothers/Sisters does not give these vegetarian diet to his patients. . The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that… ‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’ This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the ‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer. In the past 10 years of my life, I have personally interacted with thousands of Christians, including missionaries - I have not come across a single Christian, who has passed this confirmatory test of the Bible. I have not come across a single Christian who took poison - I have not come across any who took poison, and who has not died. And in scientific terminology, this is also called as the ‘falsification test’ That means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he will die. And a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a true Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try and attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true Christian believer, will never attempt this test. I will not ask any Christian Brother/Sister to have deadly poison -What I’ll do - I will only ask him/her to speak in foreign tongues… In new languages. And as many of you may be aware that India is a land, which has more than 1000 languages and dialects. Only thing I request him is, to say these 3 words… ‘One hundred rupees’, in the 17 official languages.
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(1) Stop plagiarizing the work of Dr. Zakir Naik.

(2) "Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true" is a false dichotomy. Both of them could be false.

(3) The Bible actually does not describe the creation of the universe in six days. It describes the arrangement of pre-existing materials into the shape of the known universe in six days. It actually says nothing about the creation of spacetime or of matter.

(4) The word ayyaam means the same thing as the Hebraic word yom, which is the word used for "day" in Genesis 1.1-2.3. As far as I can tell, there is no reason to suppose the same word meant different things in the Koran and Bible.

(5) The disproval of the Bible creation story of the Sun, Earth, and Moon does nothing to establish the validity of the Koran's version. This error in reasoning is caused by the false dichotomy I shown in (2).

... I could continue showing problems with your posts but I can't be bothered to do so. I'm sure many of the members here have heard this load of bollocks before. I shall only point one more thing out: eisegesis is not nearly as reliable as exegesis and your entire argument relies on eisegesis and logical fallacies.
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(1) Stop plagiarizing the work of Dr. Zakir Naik.

(2) "Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true" is a false dichotomy. Both of them could be false.

(3) The Bible actually does not describe the creation of the universe in six days. It describes the arrangement of pre-existing materials into the shape of the known universe in six days. It actually says nothing about the creation of spacetime or of matter.

(4) The word ayyaam means the same thing as the Hebraic word yom, which is the word used for "day" in Genesis 1.1-2.3. As far as I can tell, there is no reason to suppose the same word meant different things in the Koran and Bible.

(5) The disproval of the Bible creation story of the Sun, Earth, and Moon does nothing to establish the validity of the Koran's version. This error in reasoning is caused by the false dichotomy I shown in (2).

... I could continue showing problems with your posts but I can't be bothered to do so. I'm sure many of the members here have heard this load of bollocks before. I shall only point one more thing out: eisegesis is not nearly as reliable as exegesis and your entire argument relies on eisegesis and logical fallacies.
The word ayyaam means the same thing as the Hebraic word yom,

The word ayyam has two meanings one long period and another 1 day so this word is complete suitable with the glorious verse of the Qur'an hahah you can prove nothing as far what the Qur'an says is completely with establish science...and what the other verses of the bible beside creation of the universe are completely incorrect with establish science knowledge we have.
i will give you the refrence what the dr.zakir naik is doing he is the hero he is the true why doctor william campbell didn't answer him in the debate you might have that debate.
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Yom can have two meanings also. And just because you can manipulate words to make it match some current theory doesn't mean that the author intended the word to be read in such a way. Again, you are doing eisegesis and not exegesis. You are taking your own ideas and trying to shove them into the text.

And what makes you think I care about what Dr. William Campbell is able to do? Did you even read my username before you responded to me or am I just a nameless infidel in your view? Christian Apologists have always sucked at defending their faith, just as Muslim Apologists have. And, again, you are limiting the amount of possible positions to two (Christianity and Islam) when there are many more possible positions one could take.
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i don't believe base on saying of Wikepedia this website is against islam what ever you will for that you will get it Against Islam the admin is Non muslim therefore and the meaning of Yaom has two meanings whether you accept or not you ask from the person who knows the Arabic best.

As far you are athiest whether i tell you these miracles of Qur'an or not it is the will of Almighy god whether he wants or not of Guidance. I have to pass or convey the Message of Islam . Allah(s.w.t) guide those whom he will. If you accept my saying accept it i say to you Ehlan wa sehlan (Most Welcome) brother and if you wanna reject my Posts there is no Compulsion in Religion .thank you
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I didn't get my information from Wikipedia. It was mere commonsense that led me to think of the relation between yom and ayyaam. I accept that ayyaam probably has two meanings. What I do not accept, however, is the conclusion that because science disagrees with one meaning then the author of the Islamic text meant the other. That is eisegesis--which is subjective and promotes bias--and not exegesis.
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