}SoC{Sumguy

The Gutenburg Bible

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"And now you've seen his face,
and you know that there's a place
in the sun, for all that you've done.
For you and your children.
You always wanted to beleive.
Just ask and you'll receive,
beyond your wildest dreams.
And you already know how this will end...."

MickinEngland

Are you Jewish by any chance matey?
As you know, they reject Jesus because they say he's not the Messiah, they reach that conclusion by going through the Bible with a magnifying glass looking at every word as if it was a long legal document full of small print, (no wonder there are so many Jewish lawyers around, they lurv legalistic mumbo-jumbo)
Fact is neither they (nor you or anybody else) should read the Bible in that fashion, rather you should look at the spirit behind the words rather than the printed words themselves.
Jesus had to tell people the same thing, namely to get their noses out of their heavyweight volumes and to simply glance up to see him standing right in front of them -
"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (John 5:39)

lemmex

Some parts of your comment I agree with others I don't. I want to tie 2 thoughts together. I think people equate Bible change to word change and give it more credit then its due. Any significant editing would occur within the first few writings and we’re not concerned with that. I accept there’s been no major editing of the Bible and bow to you .

What’s bothered me is over the years I’ve tried to reconcile how meaning has changed. The kind of change I’ve tried explaining has been for example, the God of the Old Testament is not the same God of the New Testament (no pun intended), or the change in belief from messiah to Messiah, or son of God to Son of God, or Kindom of Yahweh (earthly) to Kindom of Yahweh (heavenly) and so on. We believe today something never preached or imagine when these things were frist written and later modified...grins

If we’re to understand what was intended we have to have knowledge of (period) Judaism of the 1st century not the 21st century. I don’t see anyway around that. You make me realize the kind of change we agrue comes through time itself, even if words don’t change.

It’s a shame some knuckleheads destroyed nearly a million scrolls and volumes of religious writing with destruction of the Library of Alexandria. Most think it was the Christians who did that because they wanted to purge paganism, now some blame the Muslims. It goes on and on. They had material back to the original time of Jesus and even older. Very sad when so much light could have been shed…..

We pretty much do the same as the Jews with that magnifying glass. No not Jewish, former Roman Chatolic. Also think Christians typically malign and misunderstand the Law you refer to. Pretty much thinks relgious belief dependent of where you're born. Born in US, you're Christian, mid-east you pratice Isalm, Israel you practice Judaism, and so on. I like to believe the Law of God is written in the heart and not some pages of a book and as to eating from the tree, we have knowlege of right from wrong. Not a bad thing.

If you'd like to email and talk as I have a whole slew of theories and opinions let me know.

I've really really have tried to edit all typos on first try but knows I will have to reedit....(pun intended)

MickinEngland

Do they have the Son of God himself in them?

snowbirdfsf

Book: What are we up to, sweetheart?
River Tam: Fixing your Bible.
Book: I, um...
[alarmed]
Book: ... what?
River Tam: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics - doesn't make sense.
[she's marked up the bible, crossed out passages]
Book: No, no. You - you can't...
River Tam: So we'll integrate non-progressional evolution theory with God's creation of Eden. Eleven inherent metaphoric parallels already there. Eleven. Important number. Prime number. One goes into the house of eleven eleven times, but always comes out one. Noah's ark is a problem.
Book: Really?
River Tam: We'll have to call it early quantum state phenomenon. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat.
[rips out page]

DizzyDee

Well, I guess that depends on who you think god is and who you think his son is. If you are talking about jesus from the new testament, and it can not be proven he exists anymore than people/gods mentioned in the vedas exists, then no they don't.

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DizzyDee

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Belle

I had a prof in college who read and helped translate early Aramaic copies of the Bible. He posited that no translations - even the very early ones, were any good as they were written by men, not God, and as such were subject to error as error is a human failing not a divine one. Therefore, all Biblical writing was flawed from its origins and was not to be taken literally.

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Belle

Right on!

I love Firefly, too!

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MickinEngland

Thousands saw Elvis and i'll take their word he existed ..
Likewise thousands saw Jesus... ;)

}SoC{Sumguy

there were also over 100 gospels written within 80 years of his death.


what do you think happened DizzyDee? Did a group of 30 poor men decide: "hey, lets make up an elaborate story about the Messiah and all the miracles he preformed and go preach it until we die by stoning, hanging, or some other gruesome fate! Yeah, that'd be awesoome!"

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"And now you've seen his face,
and you know that there's a place
in the sun, for all that you've done.
For you and your children.
You always wanted to beleive.
Just ask and you'll receive,
beyond your wildest dreams.
And you already know how this will end...."