noeticcenter

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Noetic

No further comments over paternalistic remarks that show no scholarship from a determined antagonist who apparently has not and will not review the Book from cover to cover before critiquing.

duck

Noetic, unlike you, I have a real job and a real set of commitments which make real world demands on my time.

I have little time to gather actual evidence and present in the way you seem to want things done.

But. The evidence remains that there was little in the way of "divine guidance" in the creation of the bible.

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imachristian

if you believe there is no God, then how can you go on in life believing that your life as it is right now was all assembled in a matter of a Few million ( billion gizillion years ? )

have you not looked at your hands , your face , your legs , arms , muscles , veins ..... etc

then ask yourself .... chaos < order ?

i choose not to believe that little tiny organisms "evolve" if you give them enough time.

time does not replace the intelligent design.

intelligence > time

and what gives these little things the will power to "want" to get better.. the fact that there tired of living in a pool of muck?
why are they tired?
why do they want to get better ?

this question really goes out to evolutionists / anyone

thanks

Astreja

How can I go on in life? Rather easily, in fact. My dance card is quite full, with lots of interesting things to do.

Is there something magical about being *poofed* into existence by a mythical being? Some otherworldly "meaning" that we can only get second-hand from a god?

I. Think. Not.

We make our own meaning in every moment of our lives. And then our molecules get recycled into other forms and we "live" as a never-ending, always-changing aggregation of matter and energy... The real eternal life.
How very unfortunate for you. Evolution is a reality -- My own brother regularly observes it happening in his research. Only the explanation is a theory.

(A scientific theory, by the way, is not a wild guess; it's a prediction of future results based on careful observations of existing data. Theories are occasionally amended to reflect new discoveries, and sometimes they are replaced by newer theories that serve as better explanations. The data itself does not change; it just gets a better explanation.)

Unsupported assertion. There is no evidence for "intelligent design" and no evidence for a designer.

There are, however, copious examples of spectacularly unintelligent design, such as the human body using a common passageway for air and food (resulting in death from asphyxiation).

There is no "want" or willpower driving evolution. None. Zero. It is a chemical process linked inexorably to environmental pressures and expressed through reproductive success over many generations.

In any group of organisms, there will be variations. Most of them result from the combination of chromosomes from the male and female parents, but the immediate chemical environment and the strength or weakness of molecular bonds will occasionally result in a random change in a section of the genetic information.

If a change improves an animal's survival (for example, by making its claws grow slightly longer and enabling it to kill more prey), that organism will have a better chance of surviving long enough to reproduce. If a change is survival-neutral, it may not be noticed but could still get carried as part of the animal's genetic "recipe". If a change makes it harder for the animal to survive, its population will tend to drop and it may even become extinct.

Please, please put your religious biases aside long enough to read a reputable book on evolutionary science.

noeticcenter

Noetic defense: Rather set aside your hostilities and do some mature impassionate reasoning. You seem to be conflating self-existence (uncaused) with existence (caused). Why should change 'improve' an animal's survival capabilities? Is that a law of nature? Why can't there be a law which is antithetical to it? Why should any animal survive? Is that a natural imperative? If so, why should there be death and decay? Entropy is the natural law. Death is entropy. If matter has an uncaused existence, then why should it change? Has it no natural right to remain as matter?

How can you 'believe' that anything must change for the better and not for the worse, or survive without having a 'directional' vector. The real 'descent' is from a higher order to a lower order. Why don't you 'believe' that what you are now is a lower order of what you once were in your ancestry? You have to solve the problem of BEING before the problem of BECOMING (change).

Noetic

imachristian

alright , thats your perspective of life

tell your bro to snap a few pictures when he sees a few missing links =)
unsupported? what the fact that your brain tells you not to in hail while eating? -your ganna have to give me a better example than that.

tell me how the little tiny tiny tiny organisms got there in the first place.

and i believe in adaptation, yes i do... such as if the sun is bright peoples skin in certain areas over time will grow to be darker....

and besides my religious "bias" its only logical that choas cannot turn into order due to time.

chaos + time = order?

not to even mention plants and the earth.....

romansh

science does not have a "theory" for this yet, but then again neither do you.
good you believe in evolution.
how about "chaos + time + energy = order" ?

there I can give many every day examples eg electrolysis of a copper sulphate solution to make crystalline copper?

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imachristian

genesis 1:1
no i believe in adaptation. there is a difference
you can add energy.... ya sure - let me know the next time you see the wind create a airplane

imachristian

ill be back tomorrow to respond to anything else

thanks

romansh

1) what are the testable predictions from this theory?
2) could you explain the difference?
3) this is not the way evolution works, a better analogy would be factories forever building prototypes.

You obviously are not a scientist by training?

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