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Old 02-14-2007, 01:29 AM   #111 (permalink)
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Faith is trust. Like when someone says, "I have faith in you" it means, I trust you. You have to be paranoid not to have faith.
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:52 AM   #112 (permalink)
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Heh.. so you just trust anyone? No one has to gain your trust? No one can lose your trust? You just trust everyone all the time even if they have no track record for telling the truth or even if they tell you lies often?

You don't hold to the old adage of "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me?"

No one does this (except where religion is concerned). You keep on offering great illustrations for agnosticism and incredulity. And these little gems you keep dropping really just serve to illustrate the random nature of religious belief.
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:58 AM   #113 (permalink)
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I guess Mr. OG is in denial that not everyone is as blind as him. Anyone who doesn't follow Satan and the secular world view is in an "illusion".

OG you belong to the world. So you will die with it in your illusion of science.
And it will be a blissful death at the end of a life lived in a search for truth where I'm sure I'm not being deluded. I certainly don't feel that I am any less living an illusion than anyone else is. That's the point of my signature.

Not everyone experiences the kingdom of heaven or eternal life. I experience both, and they are the same thing. Living forever is a silly bed time story. Eternal life has nothing to do with time. I'm sorry you seem to be missing out on it by being so focused on the life that you don't have (i.e. the afterlife) that you miss out on the wonder that is in this one.

You wish you could share your testimony and your christian experience with all those around you and I strongly understand your desire. I equally wish I could share the realizations science has of the natural world and what we really know about what it means to be a human being and to have conscious experience and interactions with other people. It's so amazing and the components are nothing like the human experience. The universe is such a wild place and complex systems such as the human brain are amazing entities.

The cool part is that I don't need people to close their eyes and swallow anything to come to my realization. And I don't call people evil for not believing it. The strength of my convictions have absolutely nothing to do with the force of humans believing it. It has to do with self correcting non-dogmatic approach to observation.

Without this, you're a kite flying in the wind with the string cut. I'm sorry this is the path you're taking in life faith. There's so much amazing stuff to behold about existence.
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Not everyone experiences the kingdom of heaven or eternal life. I experience both, and they are the same thing. Living forever is a silly bed time story. Eternal life has nothing to do with time.
That was a statement. A statement requires full knowledge of the subject, and when you have searched the whole universe and looked in the spiritual realm, then you can come talk. Like the book, "God doesn't believe in atheists" says, "For me to state that there is no gold in China, I would have had to check every speck of rock, every river, every ring, every mouth" etc etc.

And you say I am missing out on the wonders of this world? Oh so wonderful, people killing eachother, lieing, theft, man ruling over his fellow man, hate. Oh, what wonders! I would definitely rather see this than eternity of happiness...

Not. You say it is a bed time story because it sounds too, "unscientific" to you, and you have never experienced it. "It's not that you can't find God, you wont". Believe me, I feel the change spiritual from my old pointless secular life, when I used to care about this dying world. You wont understand as I said, you think you know everything, don't bother saying you don't cause I bet thats what you gonna say. This is going to sound, beyond your understanding by far and "unscientific" but I don't care, cause science can't prove anything.

And if you believe it does, then you already have to believe in God, you know how many times they have found cities that were exactly 100% how it was explained in the bible. As I said before, God commanded his people to circle a city 7 times each day, for 7 days. And the walls would collapse. And they found a city with collapsed walls, and no evidence of it being battered in whatsoever. They also discovered the city who had walls made with no straw (impossible back then, but God told them to do it, and they did, and the walls stood). If God himself told me to jump off a mountain and I would live, I would do it. He wouldn't but I am giving an example. When he says something, he does not lie. And he can do whatever he wants to do.

I felt the change in my heart in a matter of seconds when I became a Christian. When I vowed to God to change my ways and live for him, and asked him to change my heart, as soon as I said the words Amen, I could feel it. I don't care if you don't believe me. I felt lighter, like all the burdens of my passed were taken off my back. And I finaly could see. "I once was blind...and now I see." Jesus healed the blind back then, physicaly and spiritualy. He still does.

You will never know what thats like. You are too stuck in your world of science. You are so far in it, you are like a droid. A programmed weapon of Satan, used as a weapon for him against God. But you are just a droid, you don't even realise it. You just serve without question of, "Why must I do this evil?" You just do it. You say, "Oh so you will just trust anyone?" That makes absolutely no sence at all. I said God, his son, the holy spirit. This is not everyone.

I assure you, I miss no delight on this world. When you get sick of thinking you know you have no purpouse, which if you think God doesn't exist thats what you must think. Cause that would mean you die, and just stay there...And get sick of watching the news, and believing everything a scientist tells you as long as it isn't about God, and having the media take over your brain, and when you want to be saved from God eternal fire that never gets put out, let me know.

You can only believe what is programmed in your mind by science to believe. By observation, just like a droid. You are going to be difficult to teach anything non-scientific, non-wordly, non-physical. Don't try and quote my words against me, cause God gives me what I need to say, and it woudln't really make much sence, considering it has nothing to do with science.
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Old 02-14-2007, 03:10 PM   #115 (permalink)
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I really am at a loss for how to respond faith. Guess all i can say is "thanks for sharing."

Its impossible to respond when you automatically reject any kind of reasoned discourse out of hand as flawed. We speak different languages and walk different paths I suppose. Good luck on yours.
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Old 02-14-2007, 03:13 PM   #116 (permalink)
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Matthew 7:13

"Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it. But the gate to life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it."
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Well, at least on some things we think alike (see your response in the other thread). This would be my version of your matthew quote about casting pearls before swine.
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There are few who find the gate to heaven, not science. You walk the wide path, unfortunately.
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Ironically (again) I'm holding open the gates right now for you. If you don't want to come right now, I'll understand. There's directions all over the place for when you're ready. You just have to look and then come on in.
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I think I will take the narrow path to God, but no thanks anyways.
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