Unbeliever

Once again, argument by assertion. Notice that this post contains no reason why its dishonesty claim is justified. It merely asserts dishonesty, and expects us to give that position the benefit of the doubt! People unskilled in the critical thinking skills don't realize that they're talking to people who pride themselves in the art of thinking critically. So they don't even know the fundamental fallacies they make in their posts.

But hey, we have to stave off boredom somehow!

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Jayhawker Soule

You blithering idiot. Read the entire thread. The reason behind the claim of intellectual dishonesty was explicitly stated, that being alexie's plagiarism.

As for Isaiah 7:14, if you would like to discuss it I will be more than willing to oblige.

alexie

Hi Jay man

Getting testy calling people names. Maybe the truth hurts?
Unbeliever is being totatlly honest and unbiased.
He stated:
"It merely asserts dishonesty, and expects us to give that position the benefit of the doubt!"
Hence my saying that you can read my mind as to know if I really was being dishonest or at the very least ignorant of how to post and and not to plagiriarise.

Maybe a philosophy course will help you to understand where unbeliever is coming from.

alexie

Unbeliever

Notice that this post resorts to personal attack, instead of attacking a position that I hold.

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The need for critical thinking is becoming critical, I'm thinking.

"If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal."
Carl Sagan

"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
Clarence Darrow( 1857-1938) American Lawyer

digitalMedia

Has anyone else read the Jefferson Bible?

I thought it was a very interesting way of looking Jesus' life/history/legend. I've never really looked at the NT in this fashion.

For those who don't know; Jefferson took the NT, removed the supernatural stuff, the Pauline and General letters and Revelations. What you're left with a story of a man who taught ethics and morality.

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Jayhawker Soule

But, first and foremost, you're left with a story fabricated and harmonized by apologists. Gutting it of its appeal to supernatural agency simply adulterates the story thereby rendering it underwhelming rather than unbelievable.

digitalMedia

Interesting point. I would contend, though, that pure fiction can still teach lessons of value and still create interest. Underwhelming would be a matter of perspective. I found it to be a unique way of looking at the gospels - one that I hadn't considered or percieved before.

I'm sorry you disagree. Have your read, Jefferson's compilation?

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Jayhawker Soule

Yes, and I found it to be a bankrupt endeavor producing the most shallow of products. How, for example, are we to account for the anti-Pharasaic taint preserved in the text if abstracted from the context of counterposed messianic claims and the advent of the malediction?

It's a worthless shell whose 'lessons' are far less interesting, coherent, and compelling than the average episode of Sesame Street.

digitalMedia

You're obviously absolute in your resolve and opinion. We'll just leave it at that, then.

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Mortalsfool

Suppose rather than looking at one of the Bibles to find resolution; we do as some of them say, and hold a good conversation out of a clear conscience.

If you believe in god being all powerful, then you could assume that he certainly would'nt have a problem letting you get out of the words exactly what he wanted you to. At least we're not getting it from a burning bush.