romansh

could be in Eden already???
You or Katnip bringing along Eve?

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Katnip89

Oh pick me! I hate valentines day anyway

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Katnip89

Oof, I'll try. Don't get along with too many eve's ...

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The guilt of man shall be his downfall, and Honesty shall right his wrongs - Me, Myself, and I

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marmalade

I know of an Eve on another forum and she is a fiery brand. I think she might make a good match for your Anti-Eve. But if the two of them join forces, we'll all be in trouble.

Come to think of it, wouldn't Lillith be the Anti-Eve?
Oh my God! Romansh, you're married to Lillith? That is so cool.
I suppose children have been out of the question as she would merely devour them.

Preacherman

It's interesting to me that so many of you could state a feeling as a reason for denying a six day creation. I'm a Christian, with a fairly literal understanding of Scripture, so as you can imagine I've had to think about what I believe and why I believe it.

Just one thing for you to consider... Generally when we read the creation story we get the Idea that Adam was created and was probably not a baby, right. Probably something like 30 years old. Interestingly he was created with apparent age. So my understanding stems out of this... the earth was created with apparent age, the universe intact. So those stars that we see that are millions of light years away, were placed there perhaps 6000 years ago, I'm not going to quibble. Could there not be a fossil record and an "aged earth" created with a history and past that did not literally exist? I know its not something that you will like, but I think it provides epistemic permission to believe this could be the case and thereby would refute claims that the six day creation is factually wrong.

The second thing mentioned in this seems to be making an issue of the "J (E, D) and P" stories of Genesis 1 and 2. Generally speaking Wellhausen has been losing favor since around 1960, but outside the field his theories are still seen as the standard. That said the reality that chapters 1 and 2 could be seen as different stories needs to be addressed.

I don't think that the order you propose is necessarily the way the text needs to be read. 2:19 when the animals are brought into the story it says the animals the "had" been made were brought to him (NASB has formed). Past tense could put their creation prior to their arrival in the naming line (as I saw it as a kid and still like that image) 2:8 says that the Adam was placed in the garden God had made... so while right before 2:7 it talks about how nothing had yet grown up we see that the man on his formation was placed in a garden, vegetation had been created.

The interesting thing about the passage and why I think my interpretation may not be correct is in 2:4 it uses the same word YOM to describe a week as it does for each individual day. Therefore I assume iin the context it doesn't necessarily mean the day as we have it now, or even the way day is used consistently in the Bible after the creation passages.

noeticcenter

Noetic Comments

It is surprsing nobody is narrating any factual flaws. In fact, Genesis seems to be more in accord with the fossil records and the " Punctuated Equilibrium" put forth by the harvard paleontologists Gould and Eldridge. Gould propsed his postulate primarily from his Marxist view of sudden revolution and no gradual change. When he, as all other honest pleontologists, noticed the precise species specific layered stratifications of fossils, the inescable conclusion was 'punctuated equilibrium" or one kind after another not from another. Now punctuation is design (not chance) and equilibrium is order (not chaos).

Noetic
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Bible: Purported Flaws or Flawless Purpose

In all these comments there is a fundamental error of judging the Bible- a collection of books penned by over 40 writers of diverse backgrounds of priests, prophets, princes, poets, philosophers, physicians, farmers, fishermen, government officials and so on, in three different continents over a period of about 3,500 years- for what it does not stand for and totally ignoring what it essentially schematize. It is NOT a book of science, or philosophy or psychology or astronomy or law or morals or ethics or religion, though occasionally it does refer to all these accurately and reliably.

The central subject of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation is ONE SINGULAR PERSON – the Messiah. The central mission of the Messiah is REDEMPTION. The WAY of Redemption is the same in the Old and the New Testaments. To be effective, a testament involves the death of the Testator. The DEATH here is from the JUDGMENT of ‘Capital Punishment’. The Judgment is pronounced by the Creator Testator on a WILLFULLY rebellious creation. The Creator Testator takes the judgment upon Himself. The judgment is CANCELLED for ever through the RESURRECTION of the Creator Testator, to those who WILLINGLY accept it. Now, this is the Bible in representative forms of the Old and the actualities of the New Testaments. Note: A substitute term for Testament is Blood Covenant. Covenant alone will not do it.
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