Mocopo

there seems to be confusion about Mormonism here....

Mormons do teach that there is a Son of God..... however, they teach we are ALL literal children of God and his wife goddess. Jesus was the first son, Lucifer the second son, then the rest of us followed. And, even tho they teach that "Jesus is the Son of God", they usually fail to mention that they believe they are completely seperate beings, and not one as Christians believe.

Grant

Quit hatin :P

Well you said "You present them with a question, prehaps aobut their religiou and they answer you with Jesus said this, etc etc."
When a religion is based on what Jesus said, and you ask somebody what the religion is about, you're gonna wind up with a "Jesus said..."

"It's not that I care what their religion is or what they believe, but it bothers me when people substitute the bible for their brain. Why do they refuse to think on their own?"
WHOA! Can I try?! seriously... how cool would it be to walk up to somebody and flip your head open to reveal a Bible instead of a brain?

Well I disagree with your belief that following the Bible is refusal to think on your own. My belief in Jesus's divinity is the effect, not the cause. One could argue that behavnig just like everybody else, rather than following the Bible, is refusal to think on your own.

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DizzyDee

I see no confusion here - we were not addressing this aspect of mormonism. By the way, I used to be mormon. While it is technically true they believe everyone (including Christ and Satan) literally are brothers and sisters and sons and daughters of God, the goddess wife is not emphasized. Christ however is special because not only is he the first born "spiritually" of God, like the rest of us humans, but Christ is also the literal physical offspring of God (the only one), the rest of us are not. Also, while mormons do believe that Christ and God are two separate physical beings, it is still believed they are one - in purpose, in likeness, in will, etc. Jeez, can you all believe I used to believe all this with all my heart and soul. Just goes to show that anyone can see through the fog.

Mocopo, you are right that mormons believe different things are god and the godhead (or trinity as most christians call it) but I think there are lots of differences even between mainstream christians as well. Regardless, christianity has about as much to stand on as mormonism in my humble opinion. But I'm derailling the thread, so back to the topic - when I was mormon I used to quote scripture all the time in daily conversation - now it bugs me when other people do, I don't judge though because I used to be there.

See I told you mormonism isn't mickey mouse.

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DizzyDee

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Og

Tibetan buddhism professes exactly this (as does pretty much all buddhism since it's inception half a milenia before christ).

Dali Lama is the incarnation of compassion on earth according to their beliefs. They also hold a unified idea of human and god (i.e. son of god, father, spirit, trinity, all one). Man is not disconnected from the divine and though they don't technically have an anthropomorphized idea of a man god that can have a son, the metaphor that is christ translates perfectly.

John 10:30
"I and the father are one"

So does that mean you'll be a buddhist now? Hrm. Fortunately, it's not that big of a deal. No one is gonna keep harping on how buddhism is the only way.. they don't even believe that!

Good luck as you keep searching.

MickinEngland

If Buddhism has the Son of God in it I'll go out and buy myself a saffron robe tomorrow.. :)
But my search for Jesus is over, I found him in christianity.. :)
Christians don't need to forever go around 'searching'.. ;)

MickinEngland

Well why did you leave it if its not a comic-book religion?.. ;)

LadyLuck

In Reply to Grant, I never said that no christians think on their own, and i wasnt trying to accuse you of this. I was just expressing a tendency I've noticed, if you believe in jesus, god, and the holy ghost, thats great but if someone asks you a question about your religion please answer it. I hate when people feed me quotes, I wasn't asking the bible questions i was asking you. And if you use a quote in your explaination, explain it, don't just throw it out there.

I think it's wonderful that you follow the bible, and I wasn't trying to imply that following the bible is refusal to think on your own. I was merely stating that some people don't think on their own and use the bible to think for them. Some, not all.

"One could argue that behaving just like everybody else, rather than following the Bible, is refusal to think on your own"

Eh, behaving just like everybody else? Well, I guess I'm an 'everybody else'??? I wasn't aware that people who dont follow the bible were lumped into that category. And I don't think that's a very logical argument anyway. We both are free thinkers, we just have different beliefs.

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Og

The Buddha's tempter was the Kama Mara, the sanskrit words meaning lust and death.

Buddha was tempted to social duty, or political action (dharma) in addition to fear and desire.

Buddha simply touched his fingertips to the ground (you will see many buddha statues in this posture) and the Earth Goddess herself said, "This is my beloved son, who through many lifetimes has so given of himself that there is nobody here, he has a right to this spot."

The whole army of the tempter was dispersed, and that night the buddha achieved illumination under the bodhi tree.

Furthermore, here's the story of his birth:

Queen Maya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There's even a stone carving of his "virgin" birth from his mother's side.