Genesis & Fossil Record

noeticcenter · 04-25-2008, 10:41 AM

April 25, 08
Noetic Comments

It is surprsing nobody is narrating any factual flaws in the comments on Genesis and its flaws. In fact, Genesis seems to be more in accord with the fossil records and the " Punctuated Equilibrium" put forth by the harvard paleontologists Gould and Eldridge. Gould propsed his postulate primarily from his Marxist view of sudden revolution and no gradual change. When he, as all other honest pleontologists, noticed the precise species specific layered stratifications of fossils, the inescable conclusion was 'punctuated equilibrium" or one kind after another not from another. Now punctuation is design (not chance) and equilibrium is order (not chaos).

Noetic
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Bible: Purported Flaws or Flawless Purpose

In all these comments there is a fundamental error of judging the Bible- a collection of books penned by over 40 writers of diverse backgrounds of priests, prophets, princes, poets, philosophers, physicians, farmers, fishermen, government officials and so on, in three different continents over a period of about 3,500 years- for what it does not stand for and totally ignoring what it essentially schematize. It is NOT a book of science, or philosophy or psychology or astronomy or law or morals or ethics or religion, though occasionally it does refer to all these accurately and reliably.

The central subject of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation is ONE SINGULAR PERSON – the Messiah. The central mission of the Messiah is REDEMPTION. The WAY of Redemption is the same in the Old and the New Testaments. To be effective, a testament involves the death of the Testator. The DEATH here is from the JUDGMENT of ‘Capital Punishment’. The Judgment is pronounced by the Creator Testator on a WILLFULLY rebellious creation. The Creator Testator takes the judgment upon Himself. The judgment is CANCELLED for ever through the RESURRECTION of the Creator Testator, to those who WILLINGLY accept it. Now, this is the Bible in representative forms of the Old and the actualities of the New Testaments. Note: A substitute term for Testament is Blood Covenant. Covenant alone will not do it.

Noetic

**WilliamBlue** · 04-25-2008, 12:23 PM

When you see a new species pop out of thin air let me know and I will give this argument to you, otherwise the fossil record does have holes and the reason is, fossils are hard to make and thus rare. The evidence to date including DNA and other biological evidence points to a graduated change over time.

GI is that you?

AB517 · 04-25-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamBlue

When you see a new species pop out of thin air let me know and I will give this argument to you, otherwise the fossil record does have holes and the reason is, fossils are hard to make and thus rare. The evidence to date including DNA and other biological evidence points to a graduated change over time.

GI is that you?

Not totally true. If there are gaps you can not say this with such absoluteness. When they do “pop out of the air” it will be done through the laws of this universe and thus those that think because we know 2+2=4 will still think that proves no God.

Punctuated Equilibrium in evolution is an accepted as a theory today. The speed of life forming out of an extinction event can not be just kissed off, unless of course you have an agenda? I just wonder how many times we are going to say “that’s not proof” before we realize something else is going

noeticcenter · 04-26-2008, 10:04 AM

[AB517;27993][quote=WilliamBlue;27985]When you see a new species pop out of thin air let me know and I will give this argument to you, otherwise the fossil record does have holes and the reason is, fossils are hard to make and thus rare. The evidence to date including DNA and other biological evidence points to a graduated change over time.

GI is that you?

Not totally true. If there are gaps you can not say this with such absoluteness. When they do “pop out of the air” it will be done through the laws of this universe and thus those that think because we know 2+2=4 will still think that proves no God.

Punctuated Equilibrium in evolution is an accepted as a theory today. The speed of life forming out of an extinction event can not be just kissed off, unless of course you have an agenda? I just wonder how many times we are going to say “that’s not proof” before we realize something else is going.

Noetic Response: BIO DNA EVIDENCE & AUTO PART EVIDENCE

DNA Evidence? That is like believing Chevy came from Toyota from 'PART' evidence! Or the other way round? How does it matter which came first, anyway? The 'Part' evidence is all that matter.

Indoctrination, thy name is evolution. "Punctuated Equilibrium" is no hoax.

Noetic

**WilliamBlue** · 04-28-2008, 04:39 PM

I get sick and tired of theist running around like the sky is falling, finding every little hole in our knowledge and then pointing at it saying 'Thats were god is'. A hole in our knowledge is just that a hole, it will be filled eventually. Also 'punctuated equilibrium" is not one kind after another, please read up on it, all it means its that at one time some animals changed at a different tempo than other times and it really is not a good argument against evolution, here is what Richard Dawkins says about it...

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

Richard Dawkins dedicated a chapter in The Blind Watchmaker to correcting, in his view, the wide confusion surrounding the theory of punctuated equilibrium. His first, and main point, is to argue that phyletic gradualism in the sense of uniformity of rates—what he refers to as "constant speedism"—is a "caricature of Darwinism"[12] and "does not really exist."[13] His second argument, which follows from the first, is that once this caricature is dismissed, we are left with only one logical alternative, which Dawkins calls "variable speedism." Variable speedism may be distinguished in one of two ways: "discrete variable speedism" and "continuously variable speedism." Eldredge and Gould, believing that evolution jumps between stability and relative rapidity, are described as "discrete variable speedists," and "in this respect they are genuinely radical."[14] They believe that evolution generally proceeds in bursts, or not at all. "Continuously variable speedists," on the other hand believe that "evolutionary rates fluctuate continuously from very fast to very slow and stop, with all intermediates. They see no particular reason to emphasize certain speeds more than others. In particular, stasis, to them, is just an extreme case of ultra-slow evolution. To a punctuationist, there is something very special about stasis."[15] Dawkins therefore commits himself here to an empirical claim about the geological record,[16] and it is this particular claim that Eldredge and Gould have aimed to overturn.

So I see that some scientist still have issues(as do I) on the claims made by Eldredge and Gould.

The DNA evidence for one from another is definitive(see NOVA's documentary on the ID trial;NOVA ID Trial)

Your ego's are clouding your judgment, what is wrong with being the baddest, meanest, smartest ape on the planet?

Why can't nature be a God unto itself?

But mainly ask yourself this; why do you have this need to feel special?

You are special in that you are the pinnacle of evolution.