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OK xexon. What I'm wondering is, how do those of us in the general public
KNOW its track record is so good? All we have to go on, is what a bunch of
"Bill Nye the science guy" types want us to know. For all we know, they
could be making it all up. Right? For instance, how can they tell how old a planet is? They have no samples. Stuff like that. How old a dinosaur bone is.
Just guessing.

jimmy77611

I would say that since the whole dinosaur era isn't even hinted at in the bible (the two creatures that job speak of is hardly an argument by the way, and may be only mythology), especially the carnivorous types that would have eaten the humans, it's safe to say that the bible came way after that period in earth's history. So how old is a dinosaur bone? Maybe hard to tell for the common man, but definitely WAY older than the history of the earth portayed in the bible, in common terms.

xexon

Intelligent people look things up. Lazy people take other people's word for it.

Science is a wonderful tool to view the world around you. It cannot only fascinate and entertain, but also enlighten one as to how creation itself is put together. Once you get a handle on that, you want to take it higher. You want more.

Thats where a spiritual path kicks in. Now you're after God.

I need to point out I'm not an agnostic. If you read my bio in the introduction forum, it will explain what I am and why my views are different than others here.

If you want to advance spiritually, you have to wean yourself away from those things which will not assist you. One does not gain anything by knowing if carbon 14 is a valid method or not.

It would get the attention of Einstein, but Jesus would keep on walking...




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For me xexon,

It is a god of math, periodic table, and physics. The heart should fnot orget the mind anymore than the mind should dismiss the heart. They are on converging paths to understanding God for man.

Understanding C14 gives me a better understanding of how god works

Jesus would not keep walking.
Jesus would stop and give Einstein credit for what he was able to see.
For seeing something he was unable to see.

He would also tell him not to forget his family. Einstein biggest failure was not unifying forces, it was the way he treated his family. The paradox of truth, from great evil comes great Good.

Look into that mirror and see a god, just know you are a man.

xexon

A man on the outside. In the world of form.


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Yeah, I think you are right.
I think Jesus is.

Abel

Bible prophecy cannot be denied except by those who have been blinded. Here's another one:
Bible passage: Matthew 24:1-2
Prophet: Jesus
Written: During the first century AD

"In Matthew 24:1-2, Jesus prophesied that the Temple of Jerusalem would be destroyed and that its destruction would be so complete that not one stone would be left standing on top of another. His prophecy was fulfilled about 40 years later.

During a war between the Jews and the Romans that ended in 70 AD, fire was set to the Temple in Jerusalem and it burned to the ground. The destruction was witnessed by an historian named Josephus, who, in his book, The Wars Of The Jews, Book 7, Chapter 8, Section 7, indicates that the Temple's destruction was so complete that even the foundation was destroyed."

This prophecy took place roughly 40 years after Jesus foretold of it. The Gospels were written some 20-30 tears after Jesus's death. There is no mention at all of Jesus' prophecy coming true in any of the Gospel accounts, showing that the destruction of the temple had not happened at the time of their writing. Actually, the destruction of the temple in not mentioned in any New Testament writing.

Matthew constantly made references to the O.T. prophecies Jesus fulfilled concerning the coming Messiah. If Matthew had been written after the fall of the temple, he would certainly have made mention of the fulfilled prophecy of Jesus.

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How do you feel about radical Jews wanting to restart the practice of animal sacrifice on the temple mount?

You know the one, the place where the Muslim Dome of the Rock currently sits.


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Abel

I don't see that going over at all. I'm not positive, but I don't believe Jewish folks are allowed near the Dome. It would be a waste of time anyway, because the only sacrifece that God will accept has already been made.

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jimmy77611

Funny how it took so long to write the gospels after jesus's supposed death. Actually, some of them were written even longer than 20-30 years later. No one wrote down anything about the jesus portrayed in the bible during the time he supposedly lived.

I've already told you Abel, unless you can prove that you have original text that date to before the events that occurred, then it could have been written afterwards. No other way around it. Do not quote how the scribes kept records. I'ts meaningliess, because we don't have those records.

What scientific evidence do you have that a non believers rationality and understanding is different when interpreting the bible than a believer? You use scripture to validate scripture. Circular reasoning. You're good at that. Why don't you try validating your arguments with outside sources other than the bible?

You can't see the truth. Nor do you seem to want to. You cannot be rational. You can only quote flawed scripture. Your whole core belief system is based upon a fairy tale. Prove me wrong. Show me evidence for your beliefs other than the bible. If your god is the god of the universe, other evidence must exist, proving his existence. Show me. Maybe there is a god. How do you know yours is your the correct one? Can you really trust such a flawed, contradictory, mistake wridden, ancient incomplete book, edited and changed by King James for HIS purposes during translation?