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05-15-2008, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Abel we have confidence that there were no errors passed on. Remember also, these scribes truly believed they were transcribing the very words of God. They had a fear and respect of God so as not to intentionally change even punctuation marks. | This is false. | How do you know it's false, OG? You can't just make a statement like that and not elaborate on it. Where are YOUR facts? | 
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05-15-2008, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz2 How do you know it's false, OG? You can't just make a statement like that and not elaborate on it. | I just did 
Doesn't change the fact that I'm correct. Not elaborating the facts simply prevents me from communicating understanding to you. It does not speak at all to the validity of a stance.
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05-15-2008, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz2 How do you know it's false, OG? You can't just make a statement like that and not elaborate on it. | I just did
Doesn't change the fact that I'm correct. Not elaborating the facts simply prevents me from communicating understanding to you. It does not speak at all to the validity of a stance. |  What "fact" makes you correct? Just simply saying it, doesn't make it so. Or does it... in your immense mind? Your stance doesn't speak at all. | |
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05-15-2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Abel No, there are no originals manuscripts now for obvious reasons. However, considering the meticulous method of transcribing, as the above article stated, we have confidence that there were no errors passed on. Remember also, these scribes truly believed they were transcribing the very words of God. They had a fear and respect of God so as not to intentially change even punctuation marks. | I would say then, logically, the possibility exists that the stories could have been altered or written afterwards. Has nothing to do with how well the scribes transcribed, because most of everything they wrote is lost. For us today, to have evidence that the stories have not changed to match historical events, we would HAVE to have original texts, dated to BEFORE the events. | |
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How do we know how well the dating process works? Do we have a 100%
guarantee that it's accurate and fool proof? I'm kinda skeptical on that. How does someone verify that the data is correct? It's just what some scientist says it is. We're just supposed to take them at their word? Explain to me someone, how does carbon-dating or any other type of dating works. I don't believe it's an exact science quite yet. Just guesses. And please, break it down so that the under-educated folks like me can understand. Thanks
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05-15-2008, 01:06 PM
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Carbon 14 dating has a good track record. It can't give exact figures, but it can produce a ballpark figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating
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05-15-2008, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz2 Your stance doesn't speak at all. | You are correct.
Your response to my comments would be the definition of irony given your religious stance.
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05-15-2008, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz2 Your stance doesn't speak at all. | You are correct.
Your response to my comments would be the definition of irony given your religious stance. |  OK Og. nevermind. | |
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05-15-2008, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz2 How do we know how well the dating process works? Do we have a 100%
guarantee that it's accurate and fool proof? I'm kinda skeptical on that. How does someone verify that the data is correct? It's just what some scientist says it is. We're just supposed to take them at their word? Explain to me someone, how does carbon-dating or any other type of dating works. I don't believe it's an exact science quite yet. Just guesses. And please, break it down so that the under-educated folks like me can understand. Thanks | Dating of these manuscripts is generally NOT based on carbon dating. Contextual analysis of the events described or language spoken and the way the language is used helps to determine the age of many of these texts. It's all referenced to other texts from the time etc. I doubt carbon dating would give you any usable information about time of the documents.
From what I've read, ancient document dating is entirely contextual and linguistic.
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05-15-2008, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz2 OK Og. nevermind. |
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