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Old 05-25-2008, 09:29 PM   #171 (permalink)
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:51 AM   #172 (permalink)
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just curious are you male or female?
I presume you mean me?

I'm female. I used to think men were primarily responsible for the worlds problems, along with religious folk. I didn't even realize that I was being predujiced just honest.

I can go into a lot about this topic but I'll refrain.

My general conclusion however is, that if women OR men rule the world as a sole gender, we are in trouble. Even if we "pick" certain roles, I still think we are in trouble, we gravitate tendacies, and that has becomes a "role" type ideal. It's nonsense.

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Old 05-26-2008, 06:03 AM   #173 (permalink)
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I am absolutely certain that the Lord Jesus chose 12 men as his apostles and not 6 men and 6 women for no other reason than he would have been crucified far earlier by the prevailing patriarchal societies.
The bible was written by men, in a male dominated culture. These people recognized the culture and they were trying to appeal to it.

There are many indications however, in the bible, slip-ups in the writings that indicate something different.

One would be "The male disciples fled". A very simple comment. If all the disciples fled, why was the word "male" interjected IF in fact all disciples were male?

This is the challenge of modern Biblical scholarship. To understand the bible in it's context. It is comments like these that fascinate theologians. No human would ever say "The MALES won the superbowl, because there was never any doubt, that superbowl players were anything other than male".

Why make a point of it? Because Males were not the only disciples. It's a slip-up, but an important one.

There were female disciples, and the male predjudice was cultural hence the tentative approach to the respect of females in the New testament. It had nothing to do with Jesus who embraced them whole as equals to himself.

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It is obvious that women had an equal place in the original church Christ initiated but that fact was suppressed by those males who wanted that fact suppressed for their own selfish, patriarchal reasons. If one really searches the Scriptures and the facts of Christ's new order, there was NO sexual discrimination what so ever. I refer to Gal. 3:28 as glaring evidence attesting to that.
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To suggest that women are equal but without teaching authority is an oxymoron.

We wouldn't say today, "Well women are allowed this council, and that council and the Politicians will listen to them, but no woman is actually allowed to be in any government position but of course, we will listen to them and think about what they say. But they don't make the decisions, the men do".

It would be extrodinarily patrionizing and downright wrong and was primarily the reason for the fight for feminism in the first place.

You can put women in a category of no power(just a nice voice and we WILL listen), but until they have power equal to men, we are living in a one gender world.

We did not evolve that way, and it will never work for us imo.

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I am absolutely certain that the Lord Jesus chose 12 men as his apostles and not 6 men and 6 women for no other reason than he would have been crucified far earlier by the prevailing patriarchal societies.
The bible was written by men, in a male dominated culture. These people recognized the culture and they were trying to appeal to it.

There are many indications however, in the bible, slip-ups in the writings that indicate something different.

One would be "The male disciples fled". A very simple comment. If all the disciples fled, why was the word "male" interjected IF in fact all disciples were male?

This is the challenge of modern Biblical scholarship. To understand the bible in it's context. It is comments like these that fascinate theologians. No human would ever say "The MALES won the superbowl, because there was never any doubt, that superbowl players were anything other than male".

Why make a point of it? Because Males were not the only disciples. It's a slip-up, but an important one.

There were female disciples, and the male predjudice was cultural hence the tentative approach to the respect of females in the New testament. It had nothing to do with Jesus who embraced them whole as equals to himself.

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It is obvious that women had an equal place in the original church Christ initiated but that fact was suppressed by those males who wanted that fact suppressed for their own selfish, patriarchal reasons. If one really searches the Scriptures and the facts of Christ's new order, there was NO sexual discrimination what so ever. I refer to Gal. 3:28 as glaring evidence attesting to that.
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To suggest that women are equal but without teaching authority is an oxymoron.

We wouldn't say today, "Well women are allowed this council, and that council and the Politicians will listen to them, but no woman is actually allowed to be in any government position but of course, we will listen to them and think about what they say. But they don't make the decisions, the men do".

It would be extrodinarily patrionizing and downright wrong and was primarily the reason for the fight for feminism in the first place.

You can put women in a category of no power(just a nice voice and we WILL listen), but until they have power equal to men, we are living in a one gender world.

We did not evolve that way, and it will never work for us imo.

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Your comments are bizarre!

Here's me defending the equality of women in the early church and the patriarchal societies that demeened that and here you are attacking me?

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Where does the Bible say that male disciples fled?
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Where does the Bible say that male disciples fled?
Mark 14:50 KJV
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what? Abel doesn't know everything in the bible? well whadda ya' know? as I thought .... he picks and choices ....
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Mark 14:50 "And they all forsook him, and fled." (KJV). Nothing said about "males".
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Matthew 26:56 "But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled." (KJV) Still no mention of "males". Neither Luke nor John record any disciples fleeing.
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Matthew 26:56 "But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled." (KJV) Still no mention of "males". Neither Luke nor John record any disciples fleeing.
What genders do you think the disciples were then?
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