shaun

Sure it will - I don't consider myself to be an expert in solar power, but if I were to want to research solar power, I would go to the experts who study and engineer it. I would not just pick up a solar panel, put it in my backyard, and then be able to tell you the whole history of solar panels from that. It's the same with Biblical study. Saying that "most people don't know" therefore makes an argument false is a huge "ad popularum" fallacy.

The definitions I get are:
calamity:
1. a great misfortune or disaster, as a flood or serious injury.
2. grievous affliction; adversity; misery

evil
1. that which is evil; evil quality, intention, or conduct: to choose the lesser of two evils.
2. the force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin.
3. the wicked or immoral part of someone or something: The evil in his nature has destroyed the good.
4. harm; mischief; misfortune: to wish one evil.
5. anything causing injury or harm: Tobacco is considered by some to be an evil.
6. a harmful aspect, effect, or consequence: the evils of alcohol.

Sounds to me like "evil" is quite a broad term.

Not to mention, you're just using the NASB. Most other versions (KJV, NIV and NLT included) say "darkness". Your argument is pretty weak when you're just using one interpretation and making a blanket claim that most translations use "evil" here.

Sure - but again, your interpretation does not necessarily define what the author meant. Any English professor will tell you that.

"Many words"? To be serious, you can't just make blanket claims about things without showing tangible evidence for those claims.

I'll agree with you that people have misinterpreted the Bible - sure, it's a book. People often read things wrongly. But it's an impossible stretch to say that something has been changed because people misinterpret it. You have a lot more things to show before you can make that claim.

shaun

I said you were being (ie, your actions were) immature by throwing a personal attack out. I don't think that's a problem - everyone's immature at times. I was simply asking you if we could have a serious conversation instead of throwing personal attacks.

Again, stop taking things so personally. I said your _actions_ were immature - I do not know you well enough to say anything about your character.

You haven't shown this to be true at all - a man can deny the truth of a statement, but if someone shows it to be true, then a man who still denies the truth is foolish. You can't just say "it's wrong! it's wrong!" and point fingers when it has been shown to be accurate.

Why not? You have said the Bible "got it wrong" - it is in your court, sir, to show why. Otherwise, you're going to lose credibility for your words here; and I feel that no one likes to lose credibility. I would hope you would either concede to the verse's accuracy and we can talk about something else, or that you would show another theory for your argument. Let's not just go off to a corner and get mad, though.

Bless you Jacob. Looking forward to your reply.

tommi atkins

And indeed mayby I'm wrong, and i'll happily take a look at the differences in footage if you have a link.
I observe as I'm sure you do, logic and reason above conjecture and scaremongery.

In order for 9/11 to be a US Govt plot theres a million hoops to jump through.

Now terrorists who have stated for years (and who's religion promotes )our destruction as a great and noble cause and after previous attacks, finally pull off their masterpeice. Not much we can do about that.
But what about something we CAN control. Our own government slaughtering us, for OIL! (gotta be oil...even if its intervening in Kosovo..bloated capitalists drink it y'see).
Now surely thats scary.

We share the same non-faith and the same sceptisism of the truth we are told. I know there are some lies emerging from 9/11. Some whitewashing of responsibility for not shooting down a plane sooner, for not reacting quicker, for not intercepting inteligence better.

But the lies told are not to cover up a simultaneious ramming of three buildings by CIA mind-controlled islamic terrorists, (who were not even islamic, just some CIA goons blacked up) followed by Detonations from pre-planted explosives as jews cheered in secret celebrations and make-beleive relatives received makebelive calls from makebelive mobiles and cruise missiles hit the pentagon. ( I love that little gem, it ignores hundreds of eye-witnesses, a missing plane, missing families , missing crew, and relies on the plane hitting the side of the pentagon that had "Just been refurbished"...ahh yes, a excellent reason to presume a cruise missile )
At the end of the conspiracy path we have the CIA Agent Osama bin laden Admitting freely that The CIA department "Al-quada" did it.

Unfortunatly...sometimes scary things are just true.

Apologies for any disrespect my use of the word tinfoil caused. The use was against the concept of the conspiracy crap, not you personally.

Jacob

tommi atkins,

I'm sure that National Geographic's 9/11 documentary is available at a local library. That's where I pick up my documentary films.

There's no need to apologize for expressing your views. I was just expressing mine.


Jacob

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Jacob

It was on this very day (Jan. 17th), in 1961, that President Eisenhower delivered a farewell address to the nation in which he warns against the accumulation of power by the "military industrial complex".

That's just food for thought for those who think that there couldn't possibly be conspiracies.


Jacob

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411314

I'm not sure how the dead sea scrolls are evidence of the biblical truth. I don't know much about the subject, but why couldn't the scroll authors have copied the bible or vice versa (which one came first?). By the way, how much longer after one was the other written?

Telimaktar

But here you yourself show that otehr bibles use the word darness which is also out of context of calamity and evil although not always. If you assume that I assumed most translations use evil then you are mistaken. My point - even from that other link - was to show how translations differ from each other.

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Sure - but again, your interpretation does not necessarily define what the author meant. Any English professor will tell you that. /[quote]
But then again everyone's perseption is different, and while my view is my own does not make it invalid or false. Even a professor's view of a subject is affected by his experiences and so too may be false.

The link at 55 shows these "many words" and that is but a portion that surely exists. If you still wish to argue the point then it is clear to me that you are afraid of the truth... kidding.

And you yourself too if you wish to believe that may case is false.