The Great Fabrication - Page 4

Astral · 01-10-2008, 07:39 PM

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An instruction from God, related in Leviticus 11:6, tells people not to eat rabbits because rabbits chew their cud. In reality, rabbits do not chew their cud. You'd think the almighty creator would have known that. In any case, the Israelites of the day pesumably obeyed this statute because authority told them to.

Ah, one of the most popular objections.

First off, let's quote the verse:

Lev. 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

Firstly, rabbits do do something called refection, where they pass pellets of partially digested food, which they chew on (along with the waste material) to allow their stomach to try again at getting more nutrients.

This, however, is not "rumination" - the process cows do and that most English-speakers refer to as "chewing the cud". In rumination, cows regurgitate the food, rather than pass it as in refection.

So, why is the idiomatic term "chewing the cud" used here at all? Well, it's not like that in the Hebrew - the English translation says that. If you look at the Hebrew, the word for "cud" used here means any partially digested food.

So, yes - the rabbit actually is "chewing partially digested food," when rendered transliterally. We just get caught in the idiomatic expression.

If you are right, then it seems to me that the translators of biblical scripture were hardly divinely inspired. In any case, the post was meant to point out the lies that authority often expects others to believe.

Jacob

The translators are NOT divinely inspired and should not be though of as such either. The scriptures are but not translations.

And the answer you all are NOT searching for is that a Unicorn is just an Ox.

Shaun I would like to comment that having read a few of your posts, I am very interested in hearing more of your thoughts. I hope you care to hang around here for some time, and that we will have some great discussions in the future.

shaun · 01-11-2008, 11:58 AM

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If you are right, then it seems to me that the translators of biblical scripture were hardly divinely inspired.

No one has claimed the translators are divinely inspired. Who told you that?

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In any case, the post was meant to point out the lies that authority often expects others to believe.

Wow, nice ad hominem attack. What authority do you have to cast stones?

If we're going to carry a respectable conversation here about very important matters, then I would ask you at least be mature about it and not throw around baseless claims that attack people's character.

tommi atkins · 01-11-2008, 01:15 PM

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Wow, nice ad hominem attack. What authority do you have to cast stones?

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Just as an aside. Jesus told the blood crazed stoning-happy mob.."He who without sin is to cast the first stone"
Shouldnt in that case Jesus, who is without sin, have chucked the initial breezeblock?

shaun · 01-11-2008, 01:36 PM

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Just as an aside. Jesus told the blood crazed stoning-happy mob.."He who without sin is to cast the first stone"
Shouldnt in that case Jesus, who is without sin, have chucked the initial breezeblock?

But He forgave her, because of His forgiveness.

I'm not sure what you're referencing here. If you're referencing the Biblical account, then please expound. If you're attacking my comment - I don't see how; I merely asked by what authority he was attacking the credibility of others.

tommi atkins · 01-11-2008, 02:11 PM

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Just as an aside. Jesus told the blood crazed stoning-happy mob.."He who without sin is to cast the first stone"
Shouldnt in that case Jesus, who is without sin, have chucked the initial breezeblock?

But He forgave her, because of His forgiveness.

I'm not sure what you're referencing here. If you're referencing the Biblical account, then please expound. If you're attacking my comment - I don't see how; I merely asked by what authority he was attacking the credibility of others.

Yup, I wasnt commenting on you questioning his authority, just that Jesus theoretically gave himself the right to lob rocks at the lass. As it was, he excercised the right, as the originator of the laws of stoning, to pardon this particular transgression, although he dosnt change his mind and is eternal. Etc Etc...

shaun · 01-11-2008, 02:35 PM

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Yup, I wasnt commenting on you questioning his authority, just that Jesus theoretically gave himself the right to lob rocks at the lass. As it was, he excercised the right, as the originator of the laws of stoning, to pardon this particular transgression, although he dosnt change his mind and is eternal. Etc Etc...

Sir, if you have an objection, state it. Let's not dance around the issue - if you want to discuss, get in.

tommi atkins · 01-11-2008, 03:25 PM

No objection as I say.

The discussion is wether the bible is fabrication and a social control tool or the literal or inspired word of god.
I personaly have problems with "Inspired".
We assume that if god is to communicate with man and wishes his word to be written, then nothing other than perfection would be acceptable? Why would God if he was writing a book on repairing a Honda CX 500 start by saying " The CX 500 is a motorbike made by Honda in the 70's and 80's , if its broke then first giveth it a few kicks, then check you havnt put soup in the tank".
Therefore God is either communicating with man or he is not. If he is , and the bible is by neccessity then flawless, we should expect no errors, no contradiction or error.

The bible however is literally stuffed to the brim with error. What it has space for in A Bun Dance however is carrots and sticks. Merciful loving kindness for he so loved the world that he slaughtered every living thing upon it.
There are gardens of paradise free of want and where all is love , a very real "jam tommorow" promise, a wonderful carrot.

The stick: ever present reminders of the flood, sodam, the mocking children and the bears, the flames that engulf the 250, the passover, the plauges. real earthly death. Yahwehs laws fit glovelike with the moral standards of the middle east Circa 2000BC. Amazing.

Astral · 01-11-2008, 09:21 PM

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No objection as I say.

The discussion is wether the bible is fabrication and a social control tool or the literal or inspired word of god.

Would the Bible have to be a fabrication as a requirement for it to be used to control people?

By the way... the rest of your post was...

romansh · 01-11-2008, 09:51 PM

The great fabrication?

The Bible is no more the Great Fabrication
than it is the the Great Literal Truth

Astral · 01-11-2008, 10:51 PM

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The great fabrication?

The Bible is no more the Great Fabrication
than it is the the Great Literal Truth

Actually... I can agree with that comment.