Anyone believe this man who claims to have passed out and visited the Christian Hell? - Page 2

GX · 02-27-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 411314

Bill Weise wrote a book called 23 Minutes In Hell. He claims to have passed out and spent 23 minutes in hell, then studied scripture for seven years and found over 300 scriputres that fit with (he said "verified) his experience. What do you think? Did he make it up? Did he have a dream or hallucination that fit scripture coincidentally? Was it real?

People who had near death experiences claim that if you expect to go to hell, the universe will grant your wish. It will be a hell of whatever it is you imagine it to be. After a while you will realize that this is something you thought up and will choose to experience something else. As far as this particular individual and this book (I havent read it so I'm basing it on what I persoanlly believe):
1) He actually had some kind of out of body experience and went through what I just described above
2) He is full of **** and is doing this to make money

Either way I personally do not believe in a "place" called hell or in an omnipotent dark/negative entity called the "devil" or whatever other name people assign to it.

**WilliamBlue** · 02-27-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Geshtinnanna

I've spent longer. Ever waited at the DMV?

**WilliamBlue** · 02-27-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GX

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Originally Posted by 411314

Bill Weise wrote a book called 23 Minutes In Hell. He claims to have passed out and spent 23 minutes in hell, then studied scripture for seven years and found over 300 scriputres that fit with (he said "verified) his experience. What do you think? Did he make it up? Did he have a dream or hallucination that fit scripture coincidentally? Was it real?

People who had near death experiences claim that if you expect to go to hell, the universe will grant your wish.

Maybe your brain is granting your wish?

GX · 02-27-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 411314

Bill Weise wrote a book called 23 Minutes In Hell. He claims to have passed out and spent 23 minutes in hell, then studied scripture for seven years and found over 300 scriputres that fit with (he said "verified) his experience. What do you think? Did he make it up? Did he have a dream or hallucination that fit scripture coincidentally? Was it real?

People who had near death experiences claim that if you expect to go to hell, the universe will grant your wish.

Maybe your brain is granting your wish?

Could be, I have no idea...

Bjarki Dalsgarð · 03-02-2008, 06:30 PM

I don't belive him, he can't have experience hell in 23 minutes, it takes a lifetime.
There is no hell or heaven as in the afterlife thingy.(according to me)

But believe me it is real (the hell part atleast) here on earth while we live. I've been there for quite some time.

You are alive and you are able to move, walk, talk and act totally normal
But you get stabbed in the back all the time, your heart is being shattered to pieces every day and you are forced to eat every single shard of it every single night, just so you can keep up your sorry excuse of a life the next day.

You are fed lies of friendship all the time.

You hear the options of your long hair being whispered behind your back, should it be ripped out? should it be burned? should it just be cut in a brutal fashion, you hear it enough times and you trim it yourself to save it from being murdered.

When a light is at the end of a tunnel, it is a train coming your way.

When you get called names you know to be lies often enough, you end up believing them yourself.

When you think there is no other way out than jumping off a cliff, you realise that your mum will probably get upset by, and you don't do what you want out of fear of hurting her.

Hell is when you get locked out of everything, being constantly picked last for any team anywhere.

Hell is when you get feed lies about an all caring God who helps and takes care of everyone, and when you need him he's busy elsewhere banging the
slut called lady justice.

Hell is when you wake up every morning, knowing it can't get worse and yet it does.

Everything you have been told about god/s is a lie.

Hell is man made by children with a wicked sense of humour.

The so called heaven is something I have discovered resently though, and it can be summed up in one word.

Trust. (love plays a part, but it is fickle and will shatter by a whisper)

Sorry kids, I just had to get that off my chest, and it be the truth.

There is no God, he is made in mans image so he can stab the world in the back when it really needs him.

Jesus though had some nice things to him, shame he was only a man.

nakamichi680zx · 03-03-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjarki Dalsgarð

I don't believe him, he can't have experience hell in 23 minutes, it takes a lifetime.
There is no hell or heaven as in the afterlife thingy.(according to me)

But believe me it is real (the hell part at least) here on earth while we live. I've been there for quite some time.

You are alive and you are able to move, walk, talk and act totally normal
But you get stabbed in the back all the time, your heart is being shattered to pieces every day and you are forced to eat every single shard of it every single night, just so you can keep up your sorry excuse of a life the next day.

You are fed lies of friendship all the time.

You hear the options of your long hair being whispered behind your back, should it be ripped out? should it be burned? should it just be cut in a brutal fashion, you hear it enough times and you trim it yourself to save it from being murdered.

When a light is at the end of a tunnel, it is a train coming your way.

When you get called names you know to be lies often enough, you end up believing them yourself.

When you think there is no other way out than jumping off a cliff, you realize that your mum will probably get upset by, and you don't do what you want out of fear of hurting her.

Hell is when you get locked out of everything, being constantly picked last for any team anywhere.

Hell is when you get feed lies about an all caring God who helps and takes care of everyone, and when you need him he's busy elsewhere banging the
slut called lady justice.

Hell is when you wake up every morning, knowing it can't get worse and yet it does.

Everything you have been told about god/s is a lie.

Hell is man made by children with a wicked sense of humour.

The so called heaven is something I have discovered resently though, and it can be summed up in one word.

Trust. (love plays a part, but it is fickle and will shatter by a whisper)

There is no God, he is made in mans image so he can stab the world in the back when it really needs him.

Life has not been kind to you much has it, Bjarki? So are you as pessimistic about it as it appears?

Part of what I wonder about when we are agnostics/atheists is that when things go really badly for us, do we take full responsibility for our suffering and disappointments or do we blame others?

Part of the reason for my signature is that our own expectations can really make us miserable and set us up for untold hardship. When you have no one to blame, how is it that you get through it?

So when you write about such bitter experiences, how do you avoid blame and victimization and move on? How do you NOT look for supporting evidence of Hell on earth?

The Forum called it [in Forum-speak] "You're already always listening." which means in effect that you have on this filter which sifts out things that you don't want to see and essentially only lets through what you want to see/hear.

I would go further and postulate that this Bill Weise was ready to experience his version of Hell and granted his own mind's wish when he saw what he wished to see while unconscious and then sought out validation.

**debdodd** · 03-03-2008, 09:30 PM

I'm with you honey ..... I was married to my first husband for 11 months .... it was 11 months of hell .... not to say the next one was heaven either ....

Bjarki Dalsgarð · 03-04-2008, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nakamichi680zx

Life has not been kind to you much has it, Bjarki? So are you as pessimistic about it as it appears?

Part of what I wonder about when we are agnostics/atheists is that when things go really badly for us, do we take full responsibility for our suffering and disappointments or do we blame others?

Part of the reason for my signature is that our own expectations can really make us miserable and set us up for untold hardship. When you have no one to blame, how is it that you get through it?

So when you write about such bitter experiences, how do you avoid blame and victimization and move on? How do you NOT look for supporting evidence of Hell on earth?

The Forum called it [in Forum-speak] "You're already always listening." which means in effect that you have on this filter which sifts out things that you don't want to see and essentially only lets through what you want to see/hear.

I would go further and postulate that this Bill Weise was ready to experience his version of Hell and granted his own mind's wish when he saw what he wished to see while unconscious and then sought out validation.

I'm not really pessimistic about life, I just don't really value it that much, even though I know I should.

Yeah I'm bitter, but I do not seek revenge or anything, everything has been forgiven though definatly not forgotten, I feel that for those mofos out there the greatest punishment for them is the knowledge that they have been really bad at some point in life, so far there have been a couple of the who have cracked and just wept when they have been told what I think about them, and told them that I don't blame them or anything. And they know that they didn't deserve the forgiveness.
The greatest punishment is unwanted forgivness, it is not revenge though, and that is how I have come through this hell, knowing that they did get something they didn't want.
And of course I met someone who melted my heart, which did help something so fiercly.

I don't blame anyone really, kids are kids and will always be the same, we should just pay more attention to what they are doing, if your children come home from school upset one day, and don't want to talk about what is wrong. Make sure to get to the bottom of it straight away, no matter how much your kid is going to hate you for pressing on.

Victimization? We are all victims, some just more than others.

How do you NOT look for supporting evidence of Hell on earth?
Should I? I have proof of it.

I can move on cause I have found someone to trust.

The bitternes mainly steems from the fact that I know, there are others out there who go through the same stuff, and worse. So do me a favour, go to your kids have a nice and long talk with them about how to behave and ask them if something is wrong, cause I hate to know that it is possible that your(not yours in specific, your as in the entire forum here) kids are either on the receiving end or the dealing end of such things.

I have no expectations about life whatsover, it does not give you anything for free, so if you want anything you have to struggle on yourself.

This Bill Weise seems rather cheerfull for having experienced his version of hell, I don't know anything about him as I haven't heard about him before here so I can't really judge him. But it sounds wrong to me, that he's in a condition to go out right away and write a book about it, but it could be who is wrong about him.

Kids these days, *deap breath* for them is mercy a sign of weakness, who wants to be weak?

Did all that make sense? was it contradictionary or am I just not woken up yet? did I miss something?

Cheers

Just do whatever is in your power to save your kids from my version of hell, and from sending others to it, I do find it more likely than those 23 minutes that dude spent there.

"Behind the bright lights hide a multitude of horrors as would disgust and repel the most stout-hearted of men. So it is with determination and unflinching duty that we must face those vile and terrible things - for if not us, then who?"

- Anon (40K)

nakamichi680zx · 03-04-2008, 07:03 PM

It made sense Bjarki and thank you for filling us in. Even though I don't have kids, I wholeheartedly agree that the emotional scarring from mean-spirited or even unintentionally cruel juvenile behaviors can linger for the rest of some peoples lives.

A thoughtless joke, a ripping comment, a humiliation in front of your classmates, all can have long-term repercussions.

I know of an interesting quote that states

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"90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at."

(Sometimes this % drops to 50% in other versions of the quote but you get my drift)

So I would use this quote to your benefit by saying that you at least recognize the source of your anger/former anger/bitterness. That recognition is 50-90% of your waking up.

GX · 03-04-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjarki Dalsgarð

I'm not really pessimistic about life, I just don't really value it that much, even though I know I should.

Yeah I'm bitter, but I do not seek revenge or anything, everything has been forgiven though definatly not forgotten, I feel that for those mofos out there the greatest punishment for them is the knowledge that they have been really bad at some point in life, so far there have been a couple of the who have cracked and just wept when they have been told what I think about them, and told them that I don't blame them or anything. And they know that they didn't deserve the forgiveness.
The greatest punishment is unwanted forgivness, it is not revenge though, and that is how I have come through this hell, knowing that they did get something they didn't want.
And of course I met someone who melted my heart, which did help something so fiercly.

I don't blame anyone really, kids are kids and will always be the same, we should just pay more attention to what they are doing, if your children come home from school upset one day, and don't want to talk about what is wrong. Make sure to get to the bottom of it straight away, no matter how much your kid is going to hate you for pressing on.

Victimization? We are all victims, some just more than others.

How do you NOT look for supporting evidence of Hell on earth?
Should I? I have proof of it.

I can move on cause I have found someone to trust.

The bitternes mainly steems from the fact that I know, there are others out there who go through the same stuff, and worse. So do me a favour, go to your kids have a nice and long talk with them about how to behave and ask them if something is wrong, cause I hate to know that it is possible that your(not yours in specific, your as in the entire forum here) kids are either on the receiving end or the dealing end of such things.

I have no expectations about life whatsover, it does not give you anything for free, so if you want anything you have to struggle on yourself.

This Bill Weise seems rather cheerfull for having experienced his version of hell, I don't know anything about him as I haven't heard about him before here so I can't really judge him. But it sounds wrong to me, that he's in a condition to go out right away and write a book about it, but it could be who is wrong about him.

Kids these days, *deap breath* for them is mercy a sign of weakness, who wants to be weak?

Did all that make sense? was it contradictionary or am I just not woken up yet? did I miss something?

Cheers

Just do whatever is in your power to save your kids from my version of hell, and from sending others to it, I do find it more likely than those 23 minutes that dude spent there.

"Behind the bright lights hide a multitude of horrors as would disgust and repel the most stout-hearted of men. So it is with determination and unflinching duty that we must face those vile and terrible things - for if not us, then who?"

- Anon (40K)

Bjarki,
Sorry to hear about this. Though you seem to have moved on there are a couple of things I suggest for you to finally rid yourself of the memory of that negative stuff that happened. Here is an excerpt from a short book that came out recently that I highly recommend:

"Normally the brain converts our daily experiences into long-term memories. However, a traumatic experience can become "stuck" in the brain, unable to be stored as a non-emotional "memory" and persisiting in the brain as if it were a present-time emotional event. Thom Hartmann explains that when we walk, which engages both sides of the body, we activate both left and right sides of the brain. This allows the brains 2 hemispheres to join forces to break up brain patterning and allow the sufferer to release these distresses--from extreme but brief upsets to chronic conditions such as post traumatic stress disorder and drepression."

This is called "bilateral therapy". While the memory will remain, bilateral therapy takes the emotional charge out of the event. The guy who wrote the book did a 20 minute Eye-Movement Therapy (a bilateral therapy technique) with a vietnam vet who had felt that he was responsible for 2 choppers getting shot down and the deaths of those onboard and it healed him of the pain of that event.
That * deep breath * indicates that you most likely still have some of these things lingering with you. If you choose to go this route, the book says to start out with small distressing events before you move on to the big stuff so you get the hang of it. This book will help you let go of that stuff once and for all. Though I do recommend you buy the book instead of trying it on your own because there are specific instructions you need to follow. I tried it for stuff that I got over yet lingered (a "difficult" coworker that pissed me off a year ago) and and it worked. Good Luck!

The book is called "walking your blues away" by Thom Hartmann

My second suggestion is to go within and reconnect as often as possible to love that is at the core of your being.