Dunno

Well I have never heard that put that way before.

Dunno

Whoa, what happened to the few posts before my last reply?

tommi atkins

Luke 38 I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.

So it looks like she was at the very least obaying. Which to be honest you would have to be freaking NUTS to say no to a flappy white angel with glowy swords and all the trimmings.
I would like to think that she went straight for her supply of Haloperidol, but IMO , it's much more likely that Jesus had a earthly father, not Joseph of course, and the pregnancy was trimmed up with the rest of it years later.

Makes the most sense.

Agnostic Elder

You guys need to be straight on your interpretation.

You think Jesus is a fairy tale.

If so, then Mary is just as much a fairy tale.

Now, you talk about both, and God's pregnation of the virgin.

These should be non-issues, since you don't believe in any of the three.

Then, you conclude that Joseph was probably the father. Father of a fairy tale?

You guys are confusing me. Either he's real, or he's fake. You talk about Jesus in both perspectives.

tommi atkins

Jesus was a real historical figure. A preacher, a chappy who at age 28 decided to give prophetry a shot. He was a great orater and it worked.
He is not a fairy tale, in that as opposed to Cinderella AFAIK, he has historical support.
My Agnosticism accepts a initial creating force. I just dont buy into this force popping a baby into a womb. Joseph was the husband of mary, but the father was someone known probably only to Mary, or not if she was raped?(By a human...not God)

In Summary, Jesus was real. His actions and works were...shall we say, enthusiastically embelished.