mary's choice - Page 3

Tomasz · 12-16-2007, 11:53 PM

Let me say about more dogma of roman-catholic church. They say that Mary was without sin, that is she didn't need a saviour, she was free of so called original sin (one of the stupidiest idea inherited from jewish gruesome book of old testament), so she couldn't die - sin is a cause of death, and was raptured to heaven.

greywolf90 · 12-17-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunno

How is this rape
I mean if he can wipe out everyone in a Flood
he pretty much owns ya
wouldn't ya think?

the idea that there evan was a flood comes from a story. that their may have been a flood is a possibility, but that the flood was caused by a god is a personal belief.

assuming that god did "own us" and that god literally had sex with mary, that would make jesus not born of a virgin, mary would be a concubine of god, and if she was unwilling, then yes, it would be considered rape. zeus had sex with many woman and some occasions were considered to be rape, therefore, a god is capable of rapping.

have you considered the possibility that god doesn't own us? if you create something such as a painting, music, or a book, it is yours as long as you keep it. but if you were to release copies to the public, who does it belong to now? can an author demand that everyone give his books back to him? they belong to the people now. mabe we do not belong to god, but to the earth. this seems more appropriate, since no matter what we are today, we will one day be nothing more than dust of the earth.

Dunno · 12-17-2007, 01:08 AM

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have you considered the possibility that god doesn't own us?

I mean Ow3nd
Paw3nd

The sense that it don't matter who owns you because he is so powerful that he just does..... does as in "ya aint got no say

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if you create something such as a painting, music, or a book, it is yours as long as you keep it. but if you were to release copies to the public, who does it belong to now?

Ask Microsoft
I hear they are licensing souls now

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can an author demand that everyone give his books back to him? they belong to the people now. mabe we do not belong to god, but to the earth. this seems more appropriate, since no matter what we are today, we will one day be nothing more than dust of the earth.

Do you have a belief in Soul? or Essence? I ask

I have experienced the transfer or release of Energy at the death of a friend
Now one person said it was the Devil doing that

greywolf90 · 12-17-2007, 07:25 AM

the ownership thing was just my speculating. and yes, i do believe in the soul, but i do not believe in the devil.

MAYBE · 12-18-2007, 10:11 PM

as pslams says: the man is a soul

and there is a devil.. he is the one that guides the minds of the unbelievers so that the glory of the lord will not shine through... read it for yourself in the book of Corinthians

marmalade · 12-18-2007, 10:21 PM

Krishna Born of a Virgin?
http://www.truthbeknown.com/virgin.htm

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A recurring theme in ancient religion revolves around the manner of the sun god's birth, as well as the chastity of his mother. In a number of instances the sun god is perceived as being born of the inviolable dawn, the virgin moon or earth, or the constellation of Virgo. The virgin status of the mothers of pre-Christian gods and godmen has been asserted for centuries by numerous scholars of mythology and ancient religion. Nevertheless, because of the motif's similarity to a major Christian tenet, apologists attempt to debunk it by simply stating that these Pagan mothers were not virgins, for a variety of reasons, including their marital status, number of children and the manner of impregnation. Regardless, the virgin status of the ancient goddesses or mothers of gods remains, despite their manner of impregnation, because the fathers, like that of Jesus, are gods themselves, as opposed to mortals who physically penetrate the mothers. Also, the mothers are not "real people," but goddesses themselves, who therefore do not possess female genitalia. Thus, despite being a mother, the goddess retains her virginity. In fact, the Virgin is one face of the Triple Goddess of ancient times, comprising the Maiden, Mother and Crone. Concerning the Triple Goddess, McLean says:

The more general archetype was often seen in mythology as threefold; thus, for example, Aphrodite was seen as Aphrodite the Virgin, Aphrodite the Wife, and Aphrodite the Whore. A similar triplicity is found in the figure of Isis as Sister, Wife and Widow of Osiris.

Born of a Virgin on December 25th: Horus, Sun God of Egypt
http://www.truthbeknown.com/horus.html

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As Albert the Great acknowledged, the virgin-birth motif is astrotheological, referring to the hour of midnight, December 25th, when the constellation of Virgo rises on the horizon. The Assumption of the Virgin, celebrated in Catholicism on August 15th, represents the summer sun's brightness blotting out Virgo. Mary's Nativity, celebrated on September 8th, occurs when the constellation is visible again. Such is what these "Christian" motifs and holidays represent, as has obviously been known by the more erudite of the Catholic clergy. Hence, the virgin who will conceive and bring forth is Virgo, and her son is the sun.

greywolf90 · 12-18-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MAYBE

as pslams says: the man is a soul

and there is a devil.. he is the one that guides the minds of the unbelievers so that the glory of the lord will not shine through... read it for yourself in the book of Corinthians

the iliad and odyssey also say that there is a zeus, hera, ares, athena, etc. i do not believe everything said in a book. show me the devil and i will admit he exists.

MAYBE · 12-18-2007, 11:52 PM

The devil first appeared in the garden of Eden in the form of a snake although he is really a powerful fallen angel

amen friend

greywolf90 · 12-19-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MAYBE

The devil first appeared in the garden of Eden in the form of a snake although he is really a powerful fallen angel

amen friend

i was not in the garden of eden so i missed seeing him. i also find it interesting that almost all christians say that the snake was really the devil when the book of Genisis never says it is anything more than just a snake. mabe you are confusing it with paradise lost?

Astreja · 12-19-2007, 04:37 AM

The snake in Genesis is an allegory for the earlier polytheistic religions crushed by the cult of Yahweh. Satan doesn't show up until much later in the Old Testament, and functions in the role of a district attorney and tester, not some über-powerful Bad Guy.