Noah's Ark And The Flood Never Happened - Page 6

melissajean85 · 12-21-2006, 11:52 PM

Here's a thought:

Global warming is going to cause a lot of problems for us, the ice to the north and south is melting and causing the ocean levels to rise - it was on Oprah not that long ago. As the ocean levels rise, a lot of land will be swallowed up so don't claim that it isn't possible.

Here's the episode from Oprah, A Green 'Truth': Al Gore's Urgent Message About Global Warming

Quote:

If Greenland and Antarctica continue to melt, Gore says the maps of the world will need to be redrawn. Low-lying areas near southern Florida, Manhattan and the area surrounding the San Francisco Bay could end up under water, Gore warns.

In the low countries of Western Europe—the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg—millions of people would need to relocate. In Beijing, 20 million people live in areas that would be flooded, and in Shanghai, the devastation would be even worse. Forty million Chinese citizens would become climate refugees.

Although Gore says he doesn't feel like Noah from the Bible, he does feel compelled to warn others about the frightening reality of rising sea levels. "If you found a message in a bottle that washed up on the beach that said, 'Life or death, deliver this message,' you would feel an obligation to do it," he says.

Many Americans don't want to listen to the warnings because this culture focuses on short-term gratification instead of the future, Gore tells Oprah. "You know the old cliché, 'Denial ain't just a river in Egypt,'" he says. "It's painful to think about. … Actually, the older way of thinking in previous generations had more responsibility carved out for the future consequences of what we do now."

This world is capable of things far more terrible than we could ever imagine. Remember the story of Noah's Ark originated a long time ago so there may be exaggerations and metaphors used - so things may not have happened word for word like it says in the Bible.

Grant · 12-22-2006, 01:32 AM

So you're saying that the same character that created a universe can't make some water?

It seems a bit illogical to say that God just magic'd some water onto Earth... Idk why, but it just seems a little weird... possible, but weird.

If God didn't make extra water all I would say is, what is the atmosphere made of? What is water made of?

'nuff said.

jeffsstuff.com · 02-26-2007, 01:39 PM

I'm not sure if anyone is still reading this thread but I have to add my two cents.

Having recently finished reading John Allen Paulos's book Innumeracy, I have a new perspective on this story. He basically shows that for the story to be true and the rain to have covered the tallest mountains with 40 days and 40 nights of rain, it would've had to rain approximately 15 feet per hour. In his words that would sink an aircraft carrier must less a wooden ship filled with animals.

It's not that I like to pick on people of faith. I just consider it the best form of entertainment to be able to show how silly something like this is mathematically.

Providence · 02-27-2007, 03:33 PM

I've got a question that, to this date, no global flood proponent has been able to answer for me. After they got off of the boat, what did the carnivores eat?

jeffsstuff.com · 02-27-2007, 03:38 PM

I'll add a question to that question:

What did the carnivores eat during the 40 days and 40 nights?
-Jeff

Og · 02-27-2007, 04:15 PM

I prefer Campbell and Jung's description of flood and water in myth as images of the subconscious mind. Stories like Jonah and the Whale or Han encased in carbonite in star wars or god moving over the waters of the earth in the original genesis chapter 1 creation story or in a variety of native american myths where people have weird dreams and then all of a sudden find a shaman pulling them out of a pool of water when they are retelling the story (figuratively).

This truth of water illustrating the subconscious mind is a pretty cool realization from what I've read about it. Very applicable. The monsters in the depths are images of elements of our own psyches.

Jung and Campbell do a lot of good work describing these ideas. I like it much better than dilly daddling with the literal fact of the flood as if we were reading some kind of newspaper report.

Faith · 02-27-2007, 10:58 PM

Ok, what you are saying is illogical because if God commanded Noah to make a boat, and have all animals 2 clean, 7 of unclean each, even carnivours, then he obviously had a plan. He can do what he wants, and to you it seems strange, and teases your brain, so you say it is impossible. God could keep the carnivours calm and do anything else that he needed to do until the flood was over. You say it is impossible for their to have even been that much water?

It is so rediculous you state all this using science, when God can break the rules of science, he made it! God obviously did what needed to be done to keep the world and the creatures stable. Science can not disprove Noah and the Arc, because since God can do whatever he wants, whenever, and however, then obviously this can be done. Anything can be done. Look at the universe, and all the things in it, and the perfect order of all things. God created this, so to say that he can't make a flood is to say he could not have made the world, and that doesn't make much sence.

You use science as the way to "prove" what you say, but that can not be done, because everything here is spiritual and was created by God. I use the Bible, God's word, as my proof. God's invisible qualities are shown through so many things which men are so ignorant to.

If you are going to say something against this with science, you are trying to say that YOU, a mere human being, have the right to question God and what he has done, and go against what he has created. The word impossible, does not apply to God. Just because it does to you and me, does not mean the same for God. You can't measure what is possible for God to do by what we can do. Just because you can't comprehend God and what he can do, doesn't mean he can't do it.

jeffsstuff.com · 02-27-2007, 11:27 PM

When logic and reason fail, the easy answer is to say that God can just break the rules. Nice, but I prefer science which, has yet to fail me.

Oh, and by the way, why have none of these instances of the rules being broken by God ever happened in modern times?

Religion has told us many things over the years that science has later proven to be untrue. (I'll post my feeling about the tower of babel to my blog tomorrow and you can let me know what you think of my argument. I'd be interested in your take on it).

Example: The earth is round and not the center of the universe. Religion has always told us only what man has already known (or believed). Religion has never provided any true insight.

Ever hear of Occam's Razor? The simplest answer is probably the correct one. The simple answer is that there never was a great flood that covered mountains. It just didn't happen. Call it myth, call it a folktale, call it anything you like but the archaeological evidence isn't there. The biological evidence isn't there.

I'll try to post my babel opinion tomorrow (probably before noon) to Jeff's Stuff. Perhaps you can explain that one too.

Faith · 02-27-2007, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffsstuff.com

I prefer science which, has yet to fail me.

I prefer God, which has yet to fail me. He never will fail me. His word is honest and true. It can be trusted. As I said, just because you can not comprehend God's amazing works doesn't mean he can't do them.

Science can't explain anything spiritual, and it can't explain why God does what he does, and how he does it. People who base everything on science hav a hard time understanding anything outside of what they think is the physical reality.

I base my life on God and his word. And God opens my mind to understand his word and many things, even sciene and the truth of it. Science has the limitation to things which can be explained mathematicaly and numerically. Science can only give theorys, God's word only gives truth.

Faith · 02-27-2007, 11:42 PM

Don't bother posting your theory of the tower of Babel. One, it would only prove incomprehension of God, His word, and how He does things (which He can do anything), and two, some of us have a life which we got to live serving God and not our own interests. I am a missionary, and teach in more places than this, soon to be going to other countries.