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Holy Texts & Dogma What's with all these books that people bet their lives on? This forum is all about dogma and reasons for circular arguments.



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Old 12-02-2006, 08:24 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Ok, if he was real. I'll accept that for the time being. What if he really never communicated with god? What if he just was a very smart and educated person who just wanted to do good? What if he was exaggerated by his disciples?

Christians LOVE the Truth and would NEVER make anything up :)
That's why the Bible contains many hard-to-understand bits and contradictions, because nobody has ever said "Hey, lets re-write the Bible and throw out all those jarring bits to make it look good!"
No, the Bible has come down to us warts and all, that's why we know its genuine.
For example it doesn't cover up the fact that Moses was a murderer, and several of the prophets tried to get out of the job, and even Jesus said "Oh God I don't want to be killed tomorrow, please get me out of it".. etc
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:13 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Ok, since we are imperfect in nature, we lie correct? At least once in hour lifetime we will. So if that's the truth, that means using probability at least one lying/exaggerating person was involved in the Bible being written. Then the Bible was re-written or translated into different languages, or written using someone who memorized most of it and then accidentally added more parts.So considering those odds, do you think some of the Bible's parts ever got to us? Probably no. And here's also some things to consider. Christians lie. That's the truth. It has proven itself over and over again through the course of time. For example, French king, ordered the current Pope to kill the Knight's Templar. You know what the reason for dismembering and slaying one of the most holy orders was? Money and land needed for war with England. Christian's don't search for truth. They have their faith and to most of them that is enough to live everyday lives. They will not bother themselves with the search for truth.
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Old 12-03-2006, 05:19 PM   #43 (permalink)
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What is telling with this question is we automatically take it from the point of view of Christianity. The Great Flood. Scholars say the biblical story we know come from more ancient tales that was brought into Judaism. This is probably the case. Christians say no story predates the Hebrew one. Pride! Pride! Pride! Now is the tale true.

Supposedly there are more then 500 stories worldwide of a great calamity, a flood, these are not just in Judaic, Summerian, or Christain cultures but cultures that had no contact with us. Science has even said ther see evidence such a event happened. The worst part is the story, scholars think they know where our story came from as there are parallels in another older Gilgamesh Epic, but of course we turn to what we were taught. I think it's true something happened that came forward to us in stroies. It was given meaning. It sometimes seems because something is in writing it's exists. The magic of print is that it must be true. How can you discount what you see.

If the flood happened it doesn't prove Noah existed. You must remember you look at this from a certain perspective. Do you agree with the reason for the a flood is the question. Did you know the Tower of Bebel relates to the story of the flood. Stories are not suppose to taken individually, each one exists as part of a whole web. In the Great Flood did not happen then we can't go on to Babel and there would be no exodus. Understand the early Bible (Hebrew) was a mix of history, folklore, myth, poetry that told a story about Israel. We only borrowed it.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:25 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Christians lie. That's the truth..

Impossible. Anybody who lies cannot be a Christian because by lying he'd automatically strip himself of that title :)
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No he wouldn't be stripping himself of anything. He would be breaking a commandment but that's it
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No he wouldn't be stripping himself of anything. He would be breaking a commandment but that's it

Nah mate, suppose we join a Liars Club but then start telling the truth, our membership would soon be cancelled and we'd be out on our butts..
Same with the Truth Club called Christianity, start lying and your membership card would quickly get torn up..
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I don't think either of you could agrue truth either way. The TRUTH is none of us really know. You don't KNOW that jesus was here any better than I KNOW he wasn't. Don't believe me? Just look at the definition of faith.

Faith: belief that is not based on proof
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IYou don't KNOW that jesus was here any better than I KNOW he wasn't. Don't believe me? Just look at the definition of faith.
Faith: belief that is not based on proof

I've never seen Elvis but I have absolute faith in all the people who saw him, and take their word for it ;)
Likewise,the entire nation of Israel and the occupying Roman army saw Jesus and I'm happy to take their word too ;)
By the way, you keep saying you KNOW Jesus wasn't here, so let me guess - a voice told you, right?
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I never said i knew he wasnt here, i said there no way of anybody truly knowing.
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Christians LOVE the Truth and would NEVER make anything up
HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hee hee Oh that was good!

You are in for a rude awakening!!!!
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