Gettin' In Tune

Why cannot I not say **** or **** in this forum?

Do I have to be clever and say ***** or *****?

What's the big deal? We are all adults and it is ok to use profanity sometimes. Someone who constantly uses it in this forum rather than intelligence will be ignored, deleted, or marginalized out of here.

It is upsetting that I cant say **** (i.e. *****).

What about freedom of speach and the First Amendment? Does this forum not believe in the First Amendment?

The An-Jel

This is a family friendly site Gettin' In Tune. Not everyone that comes onto the Forum is an adult!

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Gettin' In Tune

I hope I was not perceived as rude, but just making point. What does a family friendly site have anything to do with censorship.

As a child I could listen to Twisted Sister and Guns 'n' Roses, but If I started swearing I would getreprimanded.

I don't care if not everyone one comes into this forum as an adult, but why censor language. I deserve to cuss every now and then, so do others. If I cuss out of moderation, then I will be ignored or marginalized out of this forum.

As an agnostic someone is being HIGHLY hypoctrically of the First Amendment: freedom to excercise (non) religion, but not freedom to exercise speech.

The An-Jel

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I admit, I never read the guidelines. Usually guidelines are dense and verbose and I skip over them.

But still rule # [1]No profanity or swearing in subject lines, signatures or body of your messages

This is hyptocritcal. I am not advocating profanity, but advocating against the censorship of it.

It is a blantant disregard of our First Amendment rights.

Og

First Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with this. There's a difference between having the right to speak and having the right to be given a pulpit to shout profanity into the world.

It's totally fine to fight to remove sponsorship and such in order to limit the range that people like falwell and robertson can reach. It's ok to do that for TV shows and such that you don't like (and it often happens). Freedom of speech does NOT mean that you can say anything anywhere at any time. It's freedom of speech for George to set up this environment in the way he chooses.

We are not censoring ideas. We're trying to create a civil atmosphere where ideas can be shared openly. Limiting profanity does not censor ideas or points of view.

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duck

I moderate a forum where four letter words are the norm, instead of the exception. I truly appreciate a place where good language without swearing is the rule. Those words are just throw-away language, and aren't really necessary.

Here is one high school English teacher that appreciates the no swearing rule.

Besides, the last time I explained this to a person on my forum that argued about first amendment issues and his behavior, I said this:

"This is not a free speech forum where language and behavior cannot be censored. This is a service where you as a member, hosted and paid for on servers that don't belong to you, can meet others, share ideas, and form a community around our common interests. So by getting an infraction, instead of complaining about Nazi Moderators, you might want to stop and think why your behavior was out of line and not in the best interests of our online community."

Gettin' In Tune

No. There is no difference. You are creatively using the English language to support your stance. I have never once said that this forum needed a "pulpit to shout profanity".

I hope this turns into a decent conversation.

What is the matter with profanity, especially used in moderation. Perhaps I am coming from a cultural perspective since I grew up in MA and can be label a MASSHOLE. To us Massholes, even around the dinner table, it is not uncommon to undertake gossip and call someone a "****ing idiot". God knows I have been called that before.

A sign of close friendship among my culture is calling a friend a '****ing bastard' with a smile on your face.

Under the First Amendment you are limiting my right to speech. You are creating your own constitution, which is fine: ours has it limitation, but I hold dear to the First Amendment.

How can you support freedom of (non) religion and not the freedom of speach?

Again, I hope this turns into a civil conversation. I never ask for a "pulpit to shout profanity from", but I have the right to use profanity. Obviously what profanity is to is not to me.

Since you have the right to censor my words, you have a right to censor music and literature. My profanity when used in moderation and within the right context is much less offensive then some of the biblical passages.

Again, as I hypothesized, If I become a ****ing rude bastard, I will be ignored and marginalized out of this forum. Isn't that how morals and ethical systems are created?

Gettin' In Tune

I love classic literature and it has been awhile since I read. I love Hesse, Dostoevsky, Huxley, Voltaire, Tolstoy, Hemmingway, Steinbeck, London, Orwell, and Bradbury, etc.

In high school and to this day I do not appreciate Ayn Rand and Salinger's "Catcher in the Rye" which openly used the word "****" in his book.

duck

Man, you didn't read what was important.

The admins generally own the forum site. They choose moderators. Admins set the theme and the rules for the web site, and with the assistance of the moderators, enforce those rules. The point is, these forums are private property, and as such, if the owners say no cussing, then no cussing.

This is like the sign in the restaurant that says "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anybody." And since a restaurant is located on private property, they can enforce that rule for whatever reason.