}SoC{Sumguy

you do realize that agnostics do not beleive that god can be proven to exist or not exist, right? therefore, they beleive that he could exist, and that he could be a figment of human imagination. Athieism is not agnosticism, so on a forum about those who are in the middle, there should either be a section for both religions and atheism, or a section for neither.

__________________
"And now you've seen his face,
and you know that there's a place
in the sun, for all that you've done.
For you and your children.
You always wanted to beleive.
Just ask and you'll receive,
beyond your wildest dreams.
And you already know how this will end...."

Fire Legion

This is a forum not only for agnostics. That would be boring because of the lack of debate about the whole reason we're here- religion.

Og

I consider myself an agnostic and believe it's clear that the western concept of god is completely a human mental construct.

It doesn't mean I'm in the middle of any of that crap.

I don't know if questions like "why is there something rather than nothing?" or "what caused the universe?" even have meaning let alone if they have an answer!

But it's clear that we are driven by quantum electrodynamic forces as the universe unfolds and that we are large masses of chemical reactions within this universe. We have no ultimate free will in a cosmic sense, so the western idea of god (i.e. a god who judges you as if you were an ultimately free moral agent) must be a human delusion responsible for motivating the behavior of people.

I am not on the fence. I call myself an agnostic because I want to ask questions like the ones mentioned above, but I don't know if they even make sense in the first place. Like applying causality that I see every day between my actions and their effects to something like the existence of everything. Am I anthropomorphizing the question?

This bull crap about being on the fence is not all that agnosticism is about. So maybe I am an atheist if atheist means "I don't believe in the western idea of God."

But there certainly is a lot of wonder and pondering and unknown in my view of the universe.

But I believe it's clear that the western notion of God is something that is easily disproven by modern neuroscience and the nature of the quintessential human delusion of free will and ego.

The universe is just much bigger than the little tiny idea of God that western religion holds to. My agnosticism transcends western spirituality and the limits it places on the human experience. There's no fence standing here.

__________________
Vi veri veniversum vivus vici. (By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe)
The self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic process of relationships
You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
Become Who You Are