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Originally Posted by Grant I don't understand how anything has any purpose without some sort of order. Emotions keep us busy but theres no meaning to their existance. |
I think we're just going in circles now but I still believe emotions have meaning. Just because they don't have a spiritual meaning in the way that a spritual person would want them to doesn't mean they don't have meaning to us that aren't spiritual.
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Originally Posted by Grant The only reason they exist is because somewhere along the geneology, one of our ancestors had a kid with a little mutation. Yes, we have a sense of urgency to attend to them. The sense of urgency doesn't mean they have purpose. |
Actually... you can say that's the "reason" they exist. I say that's just how they came into existance. The reason they exist we as humans may still just not know.
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Originally Posted by Grant Again, its just a mutation. Try telling a greiving mother her emotions mean nothing. Well I don't try to tell her that. In short, I don't understand how we have a purpose if we're equivelant to pre-biotic soup. |
It goes back to each individual's journey. Life is what you make of it and it's all about choices. A religious person doesn't know their purpose any more than a non-religious person does. I mean I'll play the debate game on it but honestly I don't see the whole "purpose" thing as a valid argument for christianity. Unless perhaps you think your whole purpose is to worship a deity. Honestly that could be our purpose. If a higher being put us here and embedded within our genetic makeup the desire to worship then though I find that a little arrogant I can't say that it's not possible.
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Originally Posted by Grant How is it not a contradiction to believe there's no reason for our existance, yet times and situations have appointed purpose. |
They do? "appointed purpose"? By whom? When did we discover that? Can you prove that?
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Originally Posted by Grant I'm not saying they don't necessarily. I just don't undersatnd how. Can you explain for me? |
Color me confused now. But you made the statement that times and situations have appointed purpose but then turned around and said you're not saying what you just said.
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Originally Posted by Grant Wow. I'm actually not used to asking for God's guidance. |
Perhaps you're not and I made a bad assumption. But the fact is christianity does tell it's followers to "ask God for guidance". Mainly through personal prayer. My main point with that whole paragraph was to ask you the question whether you'd find it tough not to be able to turn to God in tough times. That's what I wanted you to answer and the rest of what I said was an explanation from my point of view of why that might be.
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Originally Posted by Grant I've been worrying about what He asks of us for about a month now. Christianity doesn't say not to take responsibility for your actions. The fact that the God of the Bible provides for us doesn't mean you don't take responsability. I'm curious as to what broght you to the conclusoin that Christians aren't responsible for their actions. |
OK you got me. Nowhere in the bible or any christian teachings does is say quote "don't take responsibility for your actions". But somehow the crusades and all the holy wars fought "in the name of christianity" pop into my head. Somehow the phrase "the devil made me do it" comes to mind as well. Asking God for guidance instead of simply making your own decisions and taking responsibility for them... well... I've never seen a more cut and dry example of what I'm talking about. Look all I'm saying is that if you take God out of the picture there is nothing left but you and your decisions. No walking the path, no doing things "the christian way". If you screw up it's on you. If you do right it's because you're a good person and you wanted to not because someone held the threat of eternal damnation over your head.
God could very well exist. And if he does I just don't believe any man on earth is infallable enough to lead me to him. Therein lies the root of my problem with all religions not just christianity. No one on earth knows the one true path to God's grace if he exists and if we ever knew at all. That doesn't mean oh we're doomed just let the whole world go to crap, it means live your life the best way you can. Be a decent person and if there is a God he'll know you are a good decent person. Not by how many times you went to church
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You've got me backwards, man. However, I perfectly agree with what you said- "Change is tough. But once you start looking at it not as a problem, but as an opportunity to fix the problem you'll be better off." In my experiences, it is a lot better after you get over the consequences of change, you're better off.
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"You've got me backwards, man." The more I read your posts I guess I see that. Thing is it less and less defines you as a christian which is what you say you are. You keep telling me all these things christianity doesn't do and that I've got it wrong but lemme tell ya I know PLENTY of devout christians both evangelical and not, that would disagree with you.
On a side note, where does it say to question God in the bible? Or at least... what part do you interpret it as saying that. Not saying it doesn't I just never read that (because I haven't read the whole thing). Then again I may be just truly misreading you and I apologize.