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Originally Posted by mezzen  Those are just some pretentious statements about the difference between animals and man, or the evolution of our desires. You've assumed that pleasure, derived from sex, eating and drinking, is some kind of evolutionary byproduct. Of course, evolution of man from man-ape is something Muslims do not accept, nor can either school of thought disprove the other. However, I won't need to uphold this point.
Furthermore you're philosophical by begging to explore the fundamental science behind pleasure or how the mind and soul function. Man is completely in the dark about such things, maybe science will one day answer a few things but I'm not going to speculate more. You cannot attack religion with another religion, including philosophical remarks. |
Wrong. even if god designed us himself, then he would need to put those desires. there are people who can't feel pain, and this is a serious life-threatening conditions. so even if evolution didn't come up with pain, any intelligent designer would. if you felt no hunger, you might forget to eat and die and god doesn't want that. he also would want for good, nourishing, high caloric food to taste better. and that goes for sex.
and since there are a lot of restrictions considering sex (like gay sex and masturbation, cheating and so on) why would god design those in us? you might say 'freewill' - fine, but freewill is needed to TEST us on earth, after you are in paradise, why test us?
oh, and if Islam doesn't believe in evolution, then Islam is wrong.
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but most people are not going to be enticed by your idea of Paradise.
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Exactly this is MEN-MADE paradise, this is how horny, hungry, thirsty
people who are engrossed in earthly desires would want to spend eternity. do not impose those primitive and atavistic desires on a supernatural deity.
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unless you can explain to me exactly how the soul/mind functions.
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Is god physical? saying he is, is blasphemy as far as I know. so why won't he make us more like him?
do you claim that god doesn't feel pleasure? because I think he is quite content. will we have more pleasure than god? are sex and food the acme of all pleasures? if so maybe god also indulges in sex? does he pretend to be a rockstar and F@#$ the bejesus out of some groupies every now and then?
does he fly planes? does he enjoy a good meal? clearly no. and I suspect he does feel content. I want to be more like him. clearly you guys want to be more like the animals (funny, considering you deny evolution...).
your idea of paradise is becoming a Greek god, a god that has sex and drinks ambrosia and rapes women and toys for all eternity.
Funny, considering you think of Greek mythology as idolatry.
In a human mind there are the animalistic side and the transcended side, (the side that can look from above on itself). that is the divine in us (if the divine exists), I see no reason why the animalistic side will continue to exist in a supernatural realm.
The animalistic side is a necessity for our survival on earth (whether by evolution or design) or necessary for free will. those things will not be required in paradise.
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Your fantasy of being in Paradise in order to try to be like God is arrogant, untenable and hypocritical.
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your beliefs are also fantasy; and talk about arrogance, it's
you guys who talk about what god wants and what the afterlife will be like.
At least my fantasy is more respectful to god, since it doesn't assume he's a panderer or a manager in six flags, and that he will let us be more like him and less like APES.