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dameedna · 05-16-2008, 04:43 AM

I think to a degree you are right.

The only issue with this is that Society IS a human creation. Society isn't something that keeps us under control because it's been created outside of us. It's a part of us and we are a part of it.

IF without society we'd become monsters, how did we move forward in the first place before current civilization began?? If we were truly so selfish and naturally brutal, how did we end up with laws that attempt to protect the weakness, the most vunlerable..and why does the world do things like pull together to help after Tsunamis and earthquakes? these laws didn't grow out of no-where, they came from us.

Not sure if that made sense. None of it sits outside of us...even the moral parts that are supposed to be created by God, they are more than likely..created by man. And many of them work.

I think we are 20% natural morality, 40% subjective and 40% relative. (replace Subjective for Objective for the religious) but that's my guesstimate.

For me what's interesting is trying to determine what situation pushes us into a position where we behave immorally(compared to our own usual individual behaviour). I alway's remember that given where I live, I have the luxury of behaving ethically and morally. Not everyone has that luxury...and it seems "fear" is one of the situations that pushes us to our moral and ethical limits.

That's what Lord of the Flies is about to me. Not just what we can become, but what pushes us to go against our own nature and even our own learned ethics. Most of those kids, did what they did out of fear..most knew it was wrong but did it anyway.

The only thing to fear, is Fear itself

05-16-2008, 04:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
dameedna Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 78	I think to a degree you are right. The only issue with this is that Society IS a human creation. Society isn't something that keeps us under control because it's been created outside of us. It's a part of us and we are a part of it. IF without society we'd become monsters, how did we move forward in the first place before current civilization began?? If we were truly so selfish and naturally brutal, how did we end up with laws that attempt to protect the weakness, the most vunlerable..and why does the world do things like pull together to help after Tsunamis and earthquakes? these laws didn't grow out of no-where, they came from us. Not sure if that made sense. None of it sits outside of us...even the moral parts that are supposed to be created by God, they are more than likely..created by man. And many of them work. I think we are 20% natural morality, 40% subjective and 40% relative. (replace Subjective for Objective for the religious) but that's my guesstimate. For me what's interesting is trying to determine what situation pushes us into a position where we behave immorally(compared to our own usual individual behaviour). I alway's remember that given where I live, I have the luxury of behaving ethically and morally. Not everyone has that luxury...and it seems "fear" is one of the situations that pushes us to our moral and ethical limits. That's what Lord of the Flies is about to me. Not just what we can become, but what pushes us to go against our own nature and even our own learned ethics. Most of those kids, did what they did out of fear..most knew it was wrong but did it anyway. The only thing to fear, is Fear itself Last edited by dameedna : 05-16-2008 at 05:09 AM.