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This is in response to Jodou and you Wolfy. I simply can't change how I feel about the "gay" population. I don't know how to just turn off what has been
a constant in my mind for what seems like forever. Sorry. I don't wish to offend anybody. But, that's the way it is. But, at least I'm not one of those "skin-head Nazis" that go out to terrorize "gays" either. I just choose to not associate with that culture or pay it any attention. Not in hopes that it goes away. Just that it doesn't infringe on me or mine. My future sister in-law is a lesbian. When we're around each other, we simply don't get into a discussion or debate about it. Because it IS a hot button issue with us. Otherwise, we get along very well. I don't think she has "cooties" or something stupid like that. She knows how myself and my fiancee feel about it. We don't try to change each other's minds one way or the other. It's a dead issue to me. Let it go.
| it may seem like you can't change, but i think you can. a couple years ago, i believed i would live and die a christian. a couple years ago, i did not agree with the homosexual lifestyle. of course, we cannot change our oppinion on a whim, but things that we learn can change our oppinion. i think this is ultimately what we are doing with you. i am not trying to make you an agnostic or make you have the same oppinions as me. i am just trying to pass what i have learned to you.
you said that displaying homosexuality in public was infringing on you and your family's freedom to not see it. this is absurd. according to your logic, christians are infringing on me when they hand out bibles at my school, when they wear crosses and jesus shirts, when they bring up god or jesus in conversation, and when they pray in public. i don't want to know they are christian. they need to to keep it in church and out of the public right? they are infringing on me right? this is the same as what you say about gays. do you see now how absurd it is? christians are not doing anything they are not free to do, just like gays are not doing anything they are not free to do.
also you made a comment about teachers shouldn't be able to teach kids that being gay is ok. so what if you were a teacher? would you teach a class of middle schoolers that being gay is not normal? what if there is a gay student in your class? would you teach the rest of the class that this 13 year old boy or girl is an abomination? sure, they may already be confused and struggling enough with their own feelings, but heck, why not alienate them even more from their peers? go ahead and pile on that mountain of insecurities and make them into a social stigma while you're at it. now imagine that young student to be your son or daughter. have i reached your christian compassion yet? i think teaching kids that being gay is OK is exactly what needs to be done. | OK... I'll open up a whole 'nother can of worms here. Yes, I think the "gays" are infringing on us all. How about the "gay marriage" debate. It's wrong! Marriage is defined as a union between a "man and a woman". Why do they need to marry? They're only gonna clog up divorce courts even more than they are now. It won't work. Why create new laws just to accommodate them? That's not equal rights. That's MORE rights. The "hate crimes law".
Can we execute a person harder for a hate crime after he kills some "gay" guy? NO. The killer will be just as dead as any other woman killer. What's the use? As for being a teacher and teaching that "gay" is OK? I wouldn't even bring it up. And if asked by a student about it, I'd tell them to go ask their parents. Not my job. Just as it's not the job of the schools to be teaching my kids about that. Now, if one of my own kids asked me about it, I'd tell them what I thought about it and leave it at that. I'd let them know however, that if they thought they were having thoughts toward that lifestyle that I disagreed with that choice but, that I will always love them and respect them in that decision, and that would never change. But, I can't and won't change how I feel about the whole subject. It's an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. They would have to understand that as well. I won't water down my faith. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Period. End of topic. |
Okay Buzz, let me wiegh in.
As far as marriage goes, there are over one thousand laws that are automatically assumed in a marriage. One little certificate carrys a lot of importance. We work and pay taxes exactly how everyone else does.
Now imagine I am 55 years old, I have been with the same man for thirty years much like you and your wife are together. We go on vacation, take in some sights, and decide to go to the beach one day. The beach was incredible and really helped us unwind but now it's getting late and we need to get back to our hotel. Now if you will, picture that we get in a very bad car accident on the way home. I am fine but my partner is rushed away in an ambulance. Inside the hospital, far from our home I am informed that my partner is not going to make it.
I will not be allowed to see him before he dies. I am not considered family by law, and we are far from home. What's worse imagine you yourself being the one in the hospital bed, and being told that your wife is not allowed in to see you, you're going to die surrounded by strangers and not get to see the love of your life before you go.
It has nothing to do with "MORE rights" as you put it. We want to be able to live our lives without constant reminders and hinderance because of who we are. I know that it's hard for you to wrap your mind around the fact that we are indeed born this way, with a physical attraction to men and not women, but living by what is natural to
us shouldn't be cause for animosity from the rest of the world.
As to hate crimes I do understand your point to a degree, but also try to understand that whereas a normal criminal may have outside factors as to why he attacked a certain person/murdered them, being gay can be the only reason some people need to attack you.
Look at it like this, we don't want a special right to marry, we want the right to live our lives naturally the same as you. For you that's a wife, for me it isn't.