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Originally Posted by buzz2  Yes Deb. By force "IF NECESSARY". The founding fathers saw the possibility of force. That's one of the reasons for the right to bare arms. I don't believe it to be radical for wanting our govt. to be the way it was originally intended. |
Actually what they "intended" was for the Constitution to be re-worked as necessary ... hence the amendment process (actually, two different "proposal" processes followed by one "ratification" process). Although I agree the FFs wanted to permit change, they wanted it to be
orderly.
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Originally Posted by buzz2 Sure, I don't WANT it to come to force. I said "if necessary". I want our country back. Not the one where the U.N. dictates how they think it should be run. If we allow that, we lose our sovereignty. We just become another European Union. I don't want that. |
I'm not sure the EU is altogether a bad thing. Besides, in many ways that's PRECISELY what we now have; the US is a "federation" consisting of 50 states. One could easily suggest that, perhaps, creation of the EU was inspired by the US federal model.
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Originally Posted by buzz2 But, I would willingly fight to preserve what our nation was intended to be. |
Hmm. First of all, many minds have worked on the problem of what the FFs "intended" the US to be, and they disagree. I hardly think any one of us is in a position to know with any certainty what their "intention" was (especially since they did not, themselves, agree completely!)
Second, the idea that the FF's intentions -- whatever they may have been -- are so eternally virtuous that they MUST be kept perpetually, is questionable at best. The original Constitution they crafted had some features that, sorry to say, are not all that great: Only landowning males could vote, and it permitted slavery. Since their time we've granted universal suffrage and abolished slavery. We literally CANNOT go back to the FF's "intentions" without rolling back these two very important changes, at the very least.
Are you really sure you'd want to do that? If not, then talk of what the FFs "intended" is largely moot.