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Old 05-06-2008, 10:34 PM   #106 (permalink)
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That's a different issue (if an interesting one). What I'm concerned about here is whether you can believe that the symptoms of your tinnitus – ringing in the ears, right? – are there when they're not.
If I listen for the ringing it's there, sometimes it "imposes itself". Is it there otherwise??? Is my hand there when I put my arm behind my back? I can only suppose.

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Are you agreeing with me that the self-evidence to us that x = x is no more evidence that x = x than the self-evidence to some theists that God exists is evidence that God exists?

(Obviously I'm not using 'self-evidence' as a success term here. If you prefer to use it that way, you may replace 'self-evidence' above with 'apparent self-evidence' or 'seeming self-evidence'.)
For x = x, I would treat it as a definition or a bloody good assumption, not necessarily provable ... because I would have to use x = x to prove it. An axiom. For me, x = x is 'more' self evident than god exists is self evident. For example some of the evidence for god existing can have other explanations. Whereas other evidence for x <> x is meaningless?
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