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Old 04-12-2008, 11:31 PM   #23 (permalink)
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It sure depends on the point of view, and is why there is never going to be an aggreement on the subject.
It is not just bad because we destroy the nature, we destroy ourselves too, we are an unatural part of the nature (strange huh?)
If you insist, but I think consuming resources in the environment to the point of self destruction is not unnatural because a lot of things that aren't human do exactly that (e.g. any parasite).
But you probably know me by now, I have a tendency to re-define words, like "natural" or "free will", if you have been paying to the stuff I write in other threads.
...Good point, what we're doing is natural and necessary for progress. Since we've already exploited virtually every resource, it is important to examine what is OK to exploit based on the benefit and damage. This is a part of prgress. Parasites is another false analogy.

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If you insist, but I think consuming resources in the environment to the point of self destruction is not unnatural because a lot of things that aren't human do exactly that (e.g. any parasite).
But you probably know me by now, I have a tendency to re-define words, like "natural" or "free will", if you have been paying to the stuff I write in other threads.
As far as we know parasites do not have the knowledge that the consumption of those resources will lead to their own destruction, humans do.

Human intelligence puts us in a seperate category I believe, as far as what is natural, good, or bad.
I agree. Most parasites are probably not even conscious as far as we know, unless you consider the Cuckoo a true parasite!


*sorry for the triple post, I'll put em all in one next time.
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