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**debdodd** · 04-08-2008, 03:59 PM

it is a fact that the bible was "picked over" in the 4th century, there was a council of Nicene(sp) that determined what was to be accepted at the direction of the current pope. That only certain gospels were taken as "true" text ... the gospel of Mary is one that I know of that was left out ..... the bible has be translated so many times I honestly cannot hold its wording as an absolute. I know it has some historical significance but history is written by the victors .... had the Muslims won we would all be saying the Quran was the Holiest of Books .... I don't buy it ... mankind is corrupt and how it is written down and how history is remembered is done so by corruption, misrepresentation and the need to manipulate people.

Everyone knows that as a story is told from one person to another there are embellishments, twists and turns of the plots ..... nope, I don't believe it. Until I see a miracle or hear the words from a god I am a skeptic, an agnostic ..... I do not "demand" that god show him/herself to me or prove to me he/she exists but if he/she expects me to believe in their divine power, that they have all that power, then ante up ..... according to scripture they have shown others in the past stone tablets, angels, etc ..... then they should still retain the power to show modern day man ..... otherwise I see that any god is impotent and only wishful thinking on many a person's part.

I respect everyone's right to believe or not believe, I trust they should show me the same respect. If you can only regurgitate the same old scripture then I see no reason why coming from you it should hold any more truth than when I have read it myself, heard it in Sunday school or heard it from my pastor in the past. It is only words ..... I want to see truth not hear it from another sinner.

While I appreciate your attempts you are not telling any of us anything new, nothing profound is coming forth from you .... so once again, respectfully, why does the word of a confessed flawed man hold any credibility over another?

I think you do us a disservice, especially John, when you accuse us of attacks. If to question you is an attack then it is your ego that must be called into question.

Regards, Deb

04-08-2008, 03:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
debdodd Beelzebub-ette Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 1,319	preacherman it is a fact that the bible was "picked over" in the 4th century, there was a council of Nicene(sp) that determined what was to be accepted at the direction of the current pope. That only certain gospels were taken as "true" text ... the gospel of Mary is one that I know of that was left out ..... the bible has be translated so many times I honestly cannot hold its wording as an absolute. I know it has some historical significance but history is written by the victors .... had the Muslims won we would all be saying the Quran was the Holiest of Books .... I don't buy it ... mankind is corrupt and how it is written down and how history is remembered is done so by corruption, misrepresentation and the need to manipulate people. Everyone knows that as a story is told from one person to another there are embellishments, twists and turns of the plots ..... nope, I don't believe it. Until I see a miracle or hear the words from a god I am a skeptic, an agnostic ..... I do not "*demand" that god show him/herself to me or prove to me he/she exists but if he/she expects me to believe in their divine power, that they have all that power, then ante up ..... according to scripture they have shown others in the past stone tablets, angels, etc ..... then they should still retain the power to show modern day man ..... otherwise I see that any god is impotent and only wishful thinking on many a person's part. I respect everyone's right to believe or not believe, I trust they should show me the same respect. If you can only regurgitate the same old scripture then I see no reason why coming from you it should hold any more truth than when I have read it myself, heard it in Sunday school or heard it from my pastor in the past. It is only words ..... I want to see* truth not hear it from another sinner. While I appreciate your attempts you are not telling any of us anything new, nothing profound is coming forth from you .... so once again, respectfully, why does the word of a confessed flawed man hold any credibility over another? I think you do us a disservice, especially John, when you accuse us of attacks. If to question you is an attack then it is your ego that must be called into question. Regards, Deb __________________ "Ubi dubium ibi libertas." "We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."